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    Obama did not arm Al Quaeda, weapons he provided to the Syrian rebels found their way into their hands but that was inevitable.
     
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    Of course the US is, America wanted a free and democratic Syria, how is that not being the good guy?
     
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    Come now Bob - It is you who is in denial of the Truth (that Obama Armed Al Qaeda in Syria) and you are projecting your issues onto others.

    This truth has been proven many times - while what you thought was true - such as the "Moderate Rebel Lie" - has turned out to be false.. yet you persist in this denial .. like a child who has just learned that the identity of here favorite doll is "Chucky"

    I am not much a fan of Assad - I do care for the welfare of the moderate people of Syria who fight for Assad - and they do not like him much either.

    The alternative unfortunately was the Islamic State - and Assad's Syria was a whole lot better than that.

    So back to you .. Why do you support the Islamic State - and El Saud who spawned AQ/ISIS ?
     
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    I don't. The US backs the moderate Syrian rebels who want to create a free and democratic Syria. That is the bottom line, refute it if you can.
     
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    According to Joe Biden, DIA, 15 Bipartisan in Congress and a gazillion other sources - Obama did provide weapons to Al Qaeda.

    As the Syrian Rebels fighting Assad- were Al Qaeda/IS - so the weapons didn't have to find there way anywhere to get into the hands of Al Qaeda/IS -

    Bob - you now this already - why do you persist in this denial of reality. You yourself claimed that the above were not lying - contradicting your own claim.

    So which is it Bob .. Were these folks lying or Not ..
     
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    Deliberately? No. AQ/ISIS were only one faction who stole/bought their share off the others. No one is lying, you're just twisting the outcome of this report to try to support Assad/Iran. The US are the good guys, they support the moderate Syrian rebels to create a free and democratic Syria.
     
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    No Bob - the anti Assad forces who went on to form a new Islamic State were not "moderates" The Moderates in this battle were the people of Syria fighting for Assad - against IS - and some of the Kurdish Groups who were also fighting IS.

    You have previously admitted that the accusers of Obama were not lying - Now you contradict yourself.

    Why are you such a big fan of the Islamic State - and El Saud ? - desperate to label these scum as "moderate"

    Your mind has been twisted by the dark side ! :oldman::oldman:
     
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    I agree that the 15 bipartisan in Congress were not lying when they state that Obama was allied with the Islamic State AQ/ISIS against Assad.


    You were given video of the State Department trying to defend IS terrorists - Ahrar Al Sham - did you forget ?
     
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    And? This bears out my point entirely, the US wants to support the non-terrorist groups but in the chaos of the Syrian civil war that is difficult with the situation constantly shifting.
     
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    No question the US wanted to support Moderates - why would they want anything else ?
    No question the US wanted to topple Assad - nothing secret here ..

    The problem - was that those in Syria wanting to topple Assad - through armed insurrection - were not moderates. They were the exact Opposite of the term "Moderate Muslim" - the complete opposite side of the spectrum.

    As we found out shortly - but should have already known as we knew the protest movement had been taken over by Hardliners - Salafi Extremists running around Syria threatening Christians to either Join the movement to oust Assad - or leave the country .. one Christian was found hung in the morning - the day before refusing to take down a Picture of Assad..

    But OK .. Let us assume our intelligence agencies are completely unaware of the political situation in Syria - and/or thought there was a chance that some moderates would band together and there would be an internal coup.

    All good up to this point - in mid 2011. armed insurrection broke out later in 2011 - within the first few months of the insurgency - where hundreds of radical Islamist groups joined forces and started taking over cities

    By mid 2012 it is a full on war - somehow - these rebels have acquired massive amounts of heavy duty sophisticated military equipment.

    Which of course one would need to fight a war against a Nation State such as Syria ... weapons which we provided via a large coalition of nations - of which I have listed previously - and given links to specific arms shipments .. one containing 400 howitzers and a bunch of other stuff. .. the stuff from the war in Yugoslavia moved to Syria along with new stuff from Various Eastern European Nations that Yugoslavia was split into.

    This mid 2012 -6 months into the war - a massive effort is underway to support these "Rebels" - and yes knew that most of the groups taking up arms against the state would be Islamists but - perhaps there was a force of non Islamists.

    The DIA - under Flynn (hence why Obama hates him) - is telling the White House - Al Qaeda - Salafi - MB are the ones running the show - - the mission is to form an Islamic State - The DIA warns the WH about this disaster - and that it already is a disaster.. as the DIA is aware of the massive effort to Arm, Support and Supply this insurgency.

    At this point - the "we didn't intend it" position is fine. after mid 2012 however - it becomes increasingly clear who is in control of the insurgency .. We know who we are supporting at this point .. and if not then .. as the months go buy and city after city is taken - each turned into a Strict Sharia Nightmare - Dark Age Style - reports of genocide, rape - war crimes, atrocities start to come out..

    By Mid 2013 Syria had fallen - a new Islamic State was functional - a few months later a new Islamic State was formerly announced - in control of all the major cities in Syria outside Demascus/Assad -

    This new Islamic State consists of Al Nursra - Islamic Front - and various affiliates - and the foreign Jihadists who have poured into Syria from all over the world - tens of thousands of them - dreaming of a new Islamic State .. Holy Jihad. They split into two main groups - and there is infighting between the two at some point later in the war .. but at this time they are unified .. after you have Al Nusra - which is Al Qaeda in Syria - and ISIS - all those from the Islamic Front - Al Nusra - and foreign Jihadists and other groups which coalesced into ISIS - the name formerly attributed to the Al Qaeda in Iraq - ISIS in Iraq. While eventually led by Al Baghdadi - this is the new incarnation of ISIS - he now has way more power.

    These two and a few affiliates are in control of the new Islamic State that we created. by not heeding the warnings of the DIA -and continuing to support the Jihadists.

    but .. it doesn't end here - when the entire world is well aware of what this new Islamic State is all about - NY-Times - and every other reporter coving the situation saying No Moderates anywhere in the fighting force .. Jihadists are in control everywhere - as they all want a new Islamic State.

    This is in mid 2013 - prior to Obama's "Moderate Rebel Lie" It was an open secret at this point that we were supporting the rebels - so this was never in any doubt .. by 2013 . the ugly truth of who these folks were was bare for all to see ... anyone with eyes or ears.

    This New Islamic state was supported big time by various other nations in the region .. Selling oil through Turkey - and so on Saudi Arabia - Qatar- Jordan -were all giving direct support - US- Israel - France- Britain and others giving indirect and direct support.

    This new State - that existed for 3 years after this point - a state which was pure evil - yet we continued pouring in support long after 2013 .

    In 2015 - Assad was on the ropes - and we are stull supporting this new Islamic State in Syria - despite the fact that we are fighting ISIS in Iraq. Folks are clearly worried that IS will indeed take over - and plant a black flag in Damascus - Russia formally enters the war in late 2015 and defeats IS.

    but we are now in 2014 - when it is abundantly clear - the monster we have created- and are still supporting - In early 2014 our proxy army in Syria - from out new nation - goes of the leash and goes into Iraq.

    Big Problem - we want to continue supporting IS in Syria .. but are fighting them in Iraq. - We need to find some Moderates - and fast.
    So they go looking to train some Moderates - - but can t find any - and the one's they do train give the weapons directly to IS in some way as that is who they report to .. there is no "moderate command" to report to :)

    This is when the Moderate Rebel Lie came about and why - -and it was pure propaganda spin - 100% false narrative on steroids - as everyone knew that for many years there was no moderate fighting force in Syria. This lie carried on for - well up until this day - although folks are pretty desperate not to talk about Syria ..

    Here is Rand Paul discussing the situation in Syria in 2014 on CNN - "State of the Union"

    http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2...-my-son-into-that-mess-on-the-crisis-in-iraq/
     
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    In 2014 and this is just an opinion piece in a left wing network. The US backs Syrian moderates, why is that a problem for you?
     
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    You are confused - the Syrian Moderates were fighting for Assad - and the US was fighting against these moderates not backing them.

    The US was backing the Islamist Jihadists (AL Qaeda) according to the DIA - something told to you at least 10 times already - but you keep forgetting and circling back to your own vomit.

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-con...12-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf
     
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    Inevitable ? ! you admit it was Inevitable :) - !
    Well if YOU - as a "Reasonable" person, - are able to so effortlessly recognize that any weapons
    given to the Syrian Rebels, would 'inevitably' end up in Al Quaeda hands, then YOU must admit,
    that all YOUR Goon Generals, US Government Sycophants, and POTUS of what ever stripe
    are either too Goddamn Bloody STUPID to realize this simple FACT. a FACT that YOU yourself
    seem to so easily surmise and deem 'inevitable'. - Or we must conclude that they too realized this
    ........................ 'inevitable' development and chose to Arm Al Quaeda in this sinister Indirect way. -

    Either way The United States Of America, armed Al Quaeda and the resulting Atrocities
    smears the Blood of Innocents on YOUR face as YOUR defense of these policies makes YOU
    ......................................................................................................................................................... Complicit.
     
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    The Syrian moderates were not fighting for Assad, they were fighting against him and ISIS/AQ, that is why they are moderates, they want a free and democratic Syria, that is why they are MODERATES. Why do you seek to denigrate them?
     
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    Yes because this sort of thing happens historically all the time historically, we spent over a decade fighting the Malayan communists having armed them in WW2. In the Middle East it happens over and over again, AQ in Afghanistan, the Iraqi armies disintegration before ISIS etc.
     
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    Never were you able to come up with a single major city that was taken by "Moderates" - 2011- 2014 - when the Islamic State was declared.

    It was IS that was in control of all these cities - and fighting against Assad . So you are claiming that the Islamic State were the moderates .. and the Syrian Army were the Extremists.

    What a preposterous pile of confusion you are in.
     
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    Yes, 7 YEARS ago! Now with CIA backing they have defeated ISIS and can take on Assad's tyranny.
     
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    We are not talking "NOW" and you now this - but you are desperately trying to deflect from and avoid reality. ..

    Reality - is that from 2011 up until 7 years ago the CIA was arming, supporting, supplying the Radical Islamist Jihadists who then formed the Islamic State - and the CIA continued to support that state once formed.

    Bob Bob Bob .. Why are you so desperate to apologize for El Saud - and their Islamist Jihadist Spawn. It is almost perverse - this twisted web of self deception you are engaging in - in that I have repeated the above to you 10 times - supplying reams of evidence - none which you were able to refute - or even attempted..

    You just keep pretending to not hear what you have heard ... hands over ears - eyes - mouth - nose - any orifice that might let the bad news in. .. and in a vicious circle - keep returning over and over to the same vomit .. Endless repetition of premise - with zero support - like a parrot on a broken record ..

    Reminds me of Hillary "Bad Trump - Bad Trump"

    Obama is not arming the Islamic State "NOW"
    ????? mindblowing twisted gibberish to even suggest he would be -

    Obama was arming the Islamic State 7 years ago - via the CIA - and that is the time period under discussion for the last 30 posts.

    Your position is desperately lost - and marbles all over the floor - digging hole deeper and deeper - into the abyss of self delusion.

    but this is intentional - no one can be this blind.
     
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    Oh, suddenly we're not talking NOW? Yes we are talking now, the Syrian moderates are the people we back against Assad's tyranny and who crushed ISIS, they are the good guys and thanks to CIA help are now getting increasingly organised and successful. That ISIS etc were a big factor on the past in Syria is undoubted but they're history now.
     
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    We are talking about Obama Arming Terrorists in Syria 7 years ago - which is 2014 - you Crying NO NO NO .. for 30 posts

    What would make you think - Obama would be arming terrorists NOW ? Obama is not President Now - and has not been for 4 years while Trump has been in Charge.

    Biden is now our President. You are very confused - and in some kind of time warp.

    Worry Not - Obama can no longer Arm Support, and Supply the Islamic State -as he was doing from 2011 to 2014 and for years after in Syria.
     
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    I would seek to deprecate these SOB's - perhaps because:
    Here are YOUR - American Proxy MODERATES sporting smiles
    ............................. as they Decapitate a child.
    .,,,,,,,,,,,,.......,,,,,...... [​IMG]
    ............................... These are YOUR Allies

    T
    hese Depraved Psychopaths were Vetted and subsequently Armed by arguably
    the best Intelligence gathering mechanisms in the World. The American authorities
    knew exactly what they were getting. Violent Extremist Sunni Wahhabist, Maniacs.

    The only sort of Proxies available to them at the time in Syria, that could be used to facilitate
    the desired American foreign policy agenda. A policy that had and still has, absolutely nothing
    .................... to do with establishing a Free & Democratic Syria and has everything to do with
    ............... the overthrow of a regime that would not & will not KowTow to American dictate.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Syrian Opposition Group That Decapitated Child '
    Was Part Of US-Vetted Alliance'
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-which-killed-child-was-in-us-vetted-alliance

    From the Article:
    Nour al-din al-Zenki, widely condemned over images of child’s beheading,
    was part of group receiving military support, including anti-tank missiles
    &
    This appalling incident appears to point to a pattern of abuses by armed
    groups in northern Syria
    who have free rein to commit summary killings,
    abductions and torture without any prospect of being held accountable.


    (All these groups were Extremists Vetted by the USA )


    U.S.-Backed ‘Moderate’ Rebels Behead a Child Near Aleppo
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-backed-moderate-rebels-behead-a-child-near-aleppo
    It’s the kind of stomach-wrenching brutality you’d associate with ISIS. Except
    this time, it’s American-armed rebels who are cutting off a boy’s head.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------



    After this incident [one of many] - American hypocrisy was so Exposed that they had
    to disavow most of these ad hoc Extremist groups. They were taken off of the books
    so to speak, They then immediately raised the flag of ISIS in their midst - And then many
    of their members began appearing in training camps in Jordan run by American Spec.Ops
    ........................................................................................................................... and were welcomed there

    Nour al-din al-Zenki
    [​IMG] ..... [​IMG]

    Syrian MODERATES ? - Well if you believe that Absurdity !

    .
     
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    No we're not, your assertion is that Obama and the US deliberately backed terrorist groups, my counter is that he armed the Syrian opposition and that some of those weapons fell into the possession of AQ/ISIS. The US would eventually limit their backing to the moderates who would crush ISIS.
     
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    Again, the US cannot be responsible for the actions of all its' Allies and there were bound to be some extremists. But the US backs the Syrian moderates to create a free and democratic Syria, surely that is beyond question?
     
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    Yes- we are. Obama and the US - and numerous other nations - deliberately backed terrorist groups in 2011-2015 .. .and this has been repeated to you 5 or more times now.

    5 times you have tried to move goalpost 2017 - because you can not handle what happened during 2011-2015.

    The US eventually turned on its former ally - the Islamic State - but, this was after the Russia/Syrian Army had defeated ISIS everywhere in Syria but Raqqa.
     
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    The US did not want ISIS to take over Syria, why would they?
     

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