Scene: Science Has Spoken So Shut Your Mouth.

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  1. JAG*

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    Scene: Science Has Spoken So Shut Your Mouth
    By JAG
    October 23, 2021

    Scene:
    A high brow cafe near the University of California at Berkeley where political
    activist Secular Humanist scientists gather to pontificate, preach, plan, and
    plot.

    John Citizen Goode, sitting nearby sipping soda and listening to the ongoing
    conversation, leans over and says to his friend:
    "We're hearing slick Sammy Science's subtle sham shell game being propagated
    here. Somebody ought to write a book entitled How Slick Sammy Science Slithers
    Hither And Thither To Push on The Public His Personal Political Plans By Craftily
    Claiming He Has Science On His Side."

    The conversations in the cafe drones on and on . . . . .

    "I don't agree with your conclusions on this issue", suddenly said John Citizen Goode.

    "Shut your mouth. we have the Science on our side and you don't", screamed Professor
    Samuel Slicke Hitla, "you will therefore bow down to our authority."

    "I totally agree with that", upspoke Professor Badd Bobby Brainy Himla, "the ends justify
    the means, and we're out to save humanity from themselves."

    "Yes indeed", replied Professor Madd Muse A. Leanie, "we must save humanity with laws
    enforced by police with guns."

    "Count me in on that too,", muttered Professor A. Stealthy Staalinn, "the masses are
    science-ignorant fools, especially religious people, and they must be controlled by force of
    law."

    John Citizen Goode turns and says to his friend:
    "If you dare oppose these science-tyrants and their science-bigotry, they will create an evil
    name for you. They'll label you a Science Denier and then use that to do their best to destroy
    you, to ruin your reputation, to destroy your influence, even to get you fired from your job if they
    can. When you stop and think about it, we have Science Nazis on our trail and they want to hurt
    and destroy us because we dare to oppose THEM.

    John Citizen Goode, still taking to his friend, concludes the scene . . . . .
    "All evil dictators who desire to be your Lord and Master, claim to have Science on their side. Their
    message to you is, we know the truth and you don't, so we need to control you because we know
    so much more than you do ~ and its in your long term best interest if you obey us for we have the
    Science on our side and you don't. Adolph Hitler was able to recruit more followers among educated
    Germans by claiming that Science was on his side. Hitler had highly educated scientists with earned
    degrees from reputable universities telling the world that Hitler had the Science on his side.
    And enough of the world's gullible bowed down to Hitler's scientists and to his other
    We-Have-The-Truth-And-You-Don't-Experts ~ resulting in the world giving birth to hideous Nazism
    and Nazism giving birth to the evil racist filthy Nazi Eugenics murder machine. John Cornwell wrote
    a book on that entitled Hitler's Scientists."

    []

    Thoughts?


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    What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why are you saying that? That post described today’s arrogant left wing elitists to a T, especially the part about coming up with evil names and labels.
     
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    Because its right.
     
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    Your post is uncommonly childish and immature. I am seriously thinking about putting you
    on permanent Ignore so I will never again have to even glance at what you post Once
    I put a person on Ignore I NEVER take them off and henceforth in my world they no
    longer exist. i have zero time and zero interest in reading absurd childish comments
    like that one up there.

    JAG


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    Oh no! Jag is going to put me on permanent ignore, Where ever shall I go? What ever shall I do???? Oh wait your just some dude on the internet and have zero impact on my actual life.
     
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    If Hitler would have had science on his side, he would have never started the Holocaust. With some of the most prominent scientists in pre-Hitler Germany being Jewish, one could only imagine if he could have gotten the nuclear bomb with their help.
     
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    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    Lots of colorful names, but kind if abstract. Generally, the left really does have science on its side. But do people on both sides go overboard shaming and denouncing the other side for holding a different view? Sure. But it's hard to make evidence-based policy when half the country is dogmatically convinced of conspiracy theories. The frustration comes from how insanely destructive the right wing agenda has been and will be.
     
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    evil names like "hitla" "himla" and "muse a leanie?" but i was thinking of the cute little schoolyard nicknames so often created by trump and bleated by his science denying sheeple.
     
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    oh, no! he doesn't agree with you!
     
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    Upon encountering that massive load of BOVINE EXCREMENT in the OP my first thought was what kind of person actually BELIEVES that kind of PUERILE CRAP?

    It reminds of those ASININE "stories" that fundamentalist Christians would INVENT about an IMAGINARY "professor" and "student" where the "professor" is allegedly "stumped" by the creationist claptrap spouted by the "student". They were so PATHETIC as to be RISIBLE.

    The OP content falls into the same category of LUDICROUS gibberish.

    One thing DOES stand out and it is CLEAR that whomever WROTE that balderdash is targeting those WITHOUT much in the way of critical thinking skills.

    I wonder who that might be? :confusion:

    :roflol:
     
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    Just for the record the OP does not say that Hitler actually had science on his side.
    (You did not say the OP did say that.)
    The OP says Hitler claimed to have the science on his side, and he did in fact claim that.
    He also did in fact have a significant number of real-genuine scientists on his side too.

    _______

    This whole thing about "i have the science on my side and you don't"
    is just another way of saying . .
    (in general argumentation)
    "I have the truth on my side and you don't."
    The street version of all this is:
    "What you say is bovine excrement.
    "What I say is the truth."

    Best

    JAG


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    I am not interested in agreement.
    I could be interested in intelligent criticism and intelligent comments but not
    emotional childish immature outbursts like this:

    "What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point
    in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be
    considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened
    to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."__Cybred

    He popped in, read the OP, and went "all emotional' and threw a hissy fit.
    I don't have time to read hissy fits and zero interest in so doing.

    JAG


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    Thanks for you input.
    I can tell (the bolded black) that you are totally non-partisan and
    have no political biases or prejudices at all, bit are an intellectually
    disinterested seeker of truth.

    Best

    JAG

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    I consider myself quite spiritual, and I have yet to find anything in my beliefs that contradict science. Sure, there are lots of things that science can't explain, but there is nothing I can think of that is refuted by science.

    I am of the belief that the further a religion strays from science, the more likely it is to have been corrupted by man for the purpose of power and control. Science is a method of discovering and describing the universe that god created. It is impossible for science and god to be at odds, as all was created by god, and all is god. They are one and the same.

    Politicians and religions support and discard science as and when it suits their needs. When there is a scientific discovery made that supports their goals, they will jump up and down and shout "It supports my point of view!", but when it is against their goals, they'll attack the scientist, calling him a fraud, or corrupted by bribes, etc.
     
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    (Bolded black.)
    A magnificent assertion.
    I love assertions.
    Here let me make one:
    Pigs can fly.
    You say, "But but but, why have we never seen pigs fly?"
    That's easy, I can solve that one with another assertion:
    Here tis:
    Pigs only fly when no humans are watching them, or videoing them.
    See how easy that was?
    Here is another assertion:
    The Donk Party is composed of 80% sheeple that bleat falsehoods.

    JAG
     
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    (bolded black)
    Agreed.
    Strongly agree too.

    I LOVE science. True science. My view is that God LOVES
    true science too, for example Math , , ,

    My view is that Math originated in the nature of God who
    is the Original Mathematician --- just as all the other
    disciplines also originated in the nature of God.

    God Is The , , , ,
    Original Mathematician
    Original Physicist
    Original Cosmologist
    Original Inventor
    Original Artist
    Original Scientist
    Original Oceanographer
    Original Philosopher
    Original Epistemologist
    Original Empiricist
    Original Poet
    Original Writer
    Original Lover {wanting the best for others}
    Original Chooser { Volition }
    Original Economist
    Original Emotion-ist {the full range of All Good Emotions}
    Original Planner
    Original Creator
    Original Designer
    Original Technologist
    Original Educator
    Original Everything Good , , ,

    , , and we humans participate in all that up there since we are
    made in the image of God , , ,

    , , and that above is why human beings, made in the image of God,
    have been able to build the modern world and will be able to keep making
    progress in Science and Technology for ever and ever, even when the
    human race makes the transition from Earthly human history to Eternity.

    Humans are made in the image of God and God has , ,
    ~ An Intellect --- and so do we humans
    ~ Emotions --- and so do we humans
    ~ Volition {a Will, the ability to choose -- and so do we humans

    God's Human Race Project ends victoriously.

    Long live science. True science.

    JAG


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    Just gonna leave these here...

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    I am, mostly. Why imply that a moderate position is the correct one when you don't even believe that, clearly. Sometimes one side is right and the other is wrong and the truth isn't some compromise. But hard to say much when we keep things so general.
     
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    I get that you don't like the OP.
    However , , ,
    Why don't you re-read the OP from my point point of view?
    I wrote the OP from the point of view of an Evangelical Christian
    and made it crystal clear in the opening lines exactly who I was
    talking about. I said:
    (see the bold below)
    ________________________________________

    Scene: Science Has Spoken So Shut Your Mouth
    By JAG
    October 23, 2021

    Scene:
    A high brow cafe near the University of California at Berkeley where political
    activist Secular Humanist scientists
    gather to pontificate, preach, plan, and
    plot.

    ______________________________________________________________

    I am NOT against science. (see my post upthread where I explain why I love
    science.)

    __________________

    I'm not asking for agreement,
    I'm asking for an intellectual argument why you disagree with the OP
    if you can understand it from the viewpoint of an Evangelical Christian.

    JAG

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    Do you read the bible as literal?
     
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    An ode to RW neuroticism?

    P.s. one of those characters need to update their world map.
     
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    That type of response/comment makes it easy for me.
    It cuts right through all the up-coming bovine excrement and correctly
    allows me to immediately go to the truth, which is the principle behind:
    Patton vs. Rommel
    Leonidas vs Xerxes
    The Joker vs Batman
    Lex Luther vs Superman

    Just in case you're not getting it:
    The point is:
    Leonidas was NOT interested in one singe word that Xerxes
    had to say because Xerxes was Leonidas' ENEMY and the
    time for talking was long past.

    JAG
     
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    One example of what the OP is about.

    Charles "The Enemy" Templeton vs. Billy Graham/And All Billy's Fellow Christians.

    Templeton was at one time a widely known evangelist who was associated with
    the Billy Graham ministries. Templeton turned against God, and turned to the worship
    of his true little banty rooster god names Science, and then tried to turn Billy Graham away
    from the Christian faith. Templeton even wrote a book titled:

    "Farewell to God: My Reasons for Rejecting the Christian Faith"
    (It's on amazon)

    "For more than twenty years, Charles Templeton was a major figure in the church in Canada
    and the United States. During the 1950s, he and Billy Graham were the two most successful exponents
    of mass evangelism in North America. Templeton spoke nightly to stadium crowds of up to thirty thousand people."



    JAG
     
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