School Choice - FAIL

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  1. oldjar07

    oldjar07 Active Member

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    A stupid special education program wouldn't help them learn to deal with their "disabilities". It probably would have set them back.
     
  2. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    There is such a thing as special ed and gifted. Rare to meet, as most gifted kids can get around their weaknesses.

    I've read that the Einstein being a bad student is a myth, though. I think Edison's learning problem was hearing impairment. Anyway, Edison was homeschooled, which is probably the best thing for a genius.
     
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    Yes, a special education program would have set them back, and they probably wouldn't have been famous. Just like I'm getting set back in the education system you love so much.
     
  4. Jack Ridley

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    I'm just shocked by this statement. I'm at a loss for words. Victor Hugo said that if he could only write for his time he would have to break his pencil and give up, and that mirrors my sentiments here. That mathematics should be repetitive just horrifies me.
    Work ethic without passion or curiosity or freedom is just disguised masochism.
     
  5. oldjar07

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    I agree. A work ethic is worthless if you don't enjoy what you are doing.
     
  6. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Has to be. Views like yours are why kids no longer can make correct change. Most schools have your views that math shouldn't be repetitive.
     
  7. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Spoiled brat. There are some jobs that nobody enjoys. They get done because of work ethic and pay, not because of love of doing it.
     
  8. oldjar07

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    That's what stupid people do.
     
  9. Jack Ridley

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    The Courant Institute at NYU?
     
  10. perdidochas

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    no, most public schools. They don't do enough repetition of basic arithmetic to make the process automatic.
     
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    Arithmetic is not math.
     
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    I knew all basic arithmetic well before it was taught in school, yet you want me to sit in school for another hour to listen to something I already know?
     
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    What should mathematics be then?
     
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    You should read the rest of A Mathematician's Apology.
     
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    So you think patterns are good, but not repetition. I'm not saying I disagree, but that doesn't make much sense. Poetry is more about memorization than imagination a lot of times.
     
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    It's about creating, discovering, and understanding them. Not about repeating them mindlessly.
    What gave you that idea?
     
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    I agree, but I don't think pattern was the best term to use since that pretty much means repeating.
    I hate poetry, because like you said there needs to be a pattern to it. I think formal writing prohibits you from reflecting what you are trying to say. How people write on message boards like these is, I think, one of the best forms of writing. If someone doesn't understand you, you can reply and try to make what you are writing clearer.
     
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    Poetry forces a person to use the very best words and phrases to pass exactly the meaning and emotion they intend. It requires contemplation and a lot of effort, but the results are far better than a few quick sentences on a message board.
     
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    Poetry is a lot like a simplified equation. Using the original long-form equation is possible but adds a lot of redundant variables and unnecessary repeats. A properly refined equation has only the items necessary for getting your result.

    Consider this:

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    versus this:

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    Do you think the first equation is as good or better than the second one?

    Poetry is to message posts the way the second image is to the first.
     
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    Poetry is gay and pointless.
     
  21. perdidochas

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    Well, then my statement was about arithmetic--arithmetic should become automatic. And without knowledge of arithmetic, math is very hard to do.
     
  22. perdidochas

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    Then you're a supergenius. Drop out of school and do something useful instead of posting on internet forums. If what you say is true about yourself, you should have graduated college at 12, and should be on your second Ph.D. by now.
     
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    The conventions of poetry are what makes it special. Using prose wouldn't convey the same emotional effect as, for example, one of Shakespeare's sonatas. Part of the reason for that is the meter, etc. Or to put it differently, the pattern in poetry forces one to be more careful about word choice. Being put into limits can be very good.
     
  24. perdidochas

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    Wow, what a profound post.
     
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    tomteapack New Member Past Donor

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    If the leaders of your schools district are spending 250,000 dollars to transport ONE child twice a school day, then your problem is with who is stealing 225,000 dollars and not with transporting one student. You could buy half a dozen full size buses for that money. Any Taxi driver would pick up that child and haul him twice a school day for a measly 25,000 a year--someone is a thief--find them.
     

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