Yes...Neanderthals were Intelligent...but they simply were nowhere NEAR as intelligent as Cromagnon or Homosapien. AboveAlpha - - - Updated - - - Just to add....one of the big diffences between Cromagnon and Neanderthal was cromagnons ability to CREATE FIRE....using a friction method. Neanderthal sought out fire wherever they could and kept it lit 27/7 365 days a year. AboveAlpha
Where do you come up these facts, you have a vivid imagination, you're inventing facts. ..there is no evidence for your fire claims, neanderthals were able to make a sustained controlled burn of 650f but were too stupid to start a fire...you're not giving this much thought are you...
There has never been a recovery of Firestarting Tools at a Neanderthal dig site which are mainly found in French Caves. What has been found at such sites is EMBER HOLDERS...which are basically a container designed to hold and keep an ember burning for many hours and if Neanderthals could create fire on demand...they would not have these. AboveAlpha
Did you willfully ignore my post? I clearly stated it doesn't matter how right you are, that announcing the debate over is closed minded. I've said that numerous times, and all you do is rail on about genetic markers? At this point, you have to be doing this intentionally. I'll not waste time on it anymore.
LOL!!! Typical. You cannot in anyway meet my challenge...and no one could....so you twist this into a....YOU ARE BEING CLOSE MINDED!!! type of conversation. LOL!!! I am FAR from being close minded. In fact the only person in DENIAL here is YOU. Your attempt to argue and debate this issue is the same as debating that is it actually 7 that comes after 6? LOL!! AboveAlpha
Neanderthal sites are 30-400k yrs old organic material (wood)rarely survives....but flint does and that is found in Neanderthal sites, perhaps you're familiar with starting fires with flint or iron pyrite, iron pyrite was the preferred method of another artic culture the inuit ,even when they knew the bow drill method ....and strangely even though sapien cultures had bow drills they too carried embers You've seen too many hollywood movies on neanderthals and lots imaginary facts....and I have a genuine archeologist living in my basement. ..
Flint found at such sites was used as Spear Heads. Again...and you can Google this....the finding of Ember Holders at Neanderthal Cave Sites is pervasive. If you can create fire at will you have no need of Ember Holders. AboveAlpha
Complete reference. http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=376736&page=12&p=1064380497#post1064380497 It seems to me the lady is on a higher spiritual plane of universal comprehension than tecoyah. Eh? Even if bendy fortified Way, Way back in upload #1 it is suggested "Science" is polluted with the faithful. The unquestioning masses who believe in Science with such faith and acceptance - if Science doesn't have it right today, they will get it right tomorrow. Accept today as unquestioningly "true". Thus the Faith of Science as parroted. Science is about questioning, not parroting. Or should be. Yet in every age the parrots are there to suppress new lines of thinking, even in Science. I the story of the poor guy who discovered RNA viruses making DNA. Oh the heresy. He did not feel the Science I assure you until it was undoubtedly true. Or my more recent fav; archaic peoplekind genome in modern persons. No total genetic wipe out. wyly and I knew the loneliness of having it right about Neanderthal. Eh, wyly? Cholesterol Theory is another great example of Parroted Science gone unhealthful. Leave the steak alone and eat more cholesterol free pasta. So wrong. Yet preached even to diabetic who have a carbohydrate disease ! There is the ideal of Science and what it has devolved into with financed studies to prove what the financier wishes, think environmental safety reports, drug studies or Man made Global Warming. So lets carry on and examine the faith of science as practiced by the masses. Even them that should know better. Moi r > g View attachment 30738
Thats bs, bizarre logic...ember transporatation was practiced in recent historical times by every culture on the planet, all of whom could start a fire...starting a new fire is a pain in the butt keeping a secondary source going was common, but according to you any culture that stored or transported embers was incapable of starting a fire..archelogical evidence demonstrates neanderthals had complete command of fire... why do I need to google I have a professional archeologist I can ask... flint is also used to make fire..you're makin ***t up, just like your claim neanderthal never made traps, you have no way of knowing that, no one does... no archeologist would make that definitive claim...neanderthals were around for around 400k yrs, a very successful hunter gatherer culture...
http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/22/7039649/genome-man-lived-45000-years-ago-Ust-Ishim-Siberia Scientists sequenced the genome of a man who lived 45,000 years ago edited by Moi individual is equally closely related to present-day Asians and to early Europeans," Kelso says. This means that the population to which this man belonged probably diverged from Europeans and Asians around the same time, or slightly before, these two groups diverged from one another. The genome didn't provide evidence that this man or his ancestors had breed with Denisovans, however, a hominin population that's thought to have bred with aboriginal people of Oceania. (it did have Neanderthal) Good stuff. Huh. I wonder when the population moving East developed their internal Antabuse biochemistry or if they got it by interbreeding with a more ancient hominid along the path Eastwards to the fertile silty plains of the Yellow River. The claim that Asian and European divergence dare I say racial divergence didn't happen until some 40K years ago. That strikes me as too recent. At times like this I am reminded of my Star Trek Deep Space 9 hero, Garak the Cardassian tailor Having lunch with the doctor he was asked for the truth. Garak responded that the truth is right there like pieces of a puzzle. You only need assemble them (per your truth). Don'tchya just love Science the same as Garak's Truth. Moi r > g View attachment 30742
let me destroy your homo erectus dreams...I had an analysis of mrs wyly's (100% han) DNA done , 2.4% neanderthal, 2.3% denisovan...and those homonids(neanderthals & denisovans) weren't ancient, they were contemporaries of homo sapiens...
We are seeing scientific dogma exercised in the Global Warming discussion which had so little evidence for warming that it became Climate Change,... Fat Americans now wonder at the recommendation, for not eating fat over the last 30 years makes sense, since we all got fatter since then. Even studies of Cholesterol have failed to show it hurts the heart, but Zocor is used by most people over 50 anyway. These are dogmas. They use some facts to develop detailed arguments, which may not be scientific at all. But so does every other discipline do this, including Theology.
So you can see that Theology needs change its dogma on genesis and read it with a modern pair of glasses on?
Anyone who posts a blatantly racist cartoon believing it's a serious scientific rebuttal doesn't deserve or get any respect in any scientific discussion...
There is no H erectus genome on file. Nice try wyly BTW if you consider the latest erectus against the earliest erectus, do you think they could produce a fertile off spring. And who is the ancient hominid found in those denisovans and Himalayans ? H.erectus was involved in the program of continuity through continuous hybridization ! It cannot be otherwise. Certification to follow with the H. erectus genome. Moi Think Outside the Confines r > g No
How can a person acquire knowledge of something unless they are in contact with it and have a use for it as well. In other words if you live with dogs and not humans, then you're going to bark like a dog and eat like a dog. It doesn't mean you're not capable of eating with a knife and fork, only that you never had the opportunity of learning that from your surroundings...and yet you might have the innate knowledge if your ancestors ate with knives and forks. Now this is where it becomes interesting. Lately I had read that if there is a lot of commotion and anxiety around an unborn child, it affects the baby and can become part of their genetic make. This would confirm the theory of evolution, which seemed an almost impossible theory before. It means that species are able to develop at a very fast rate depending on their environmental influences.
I have definitive genetic evidence... you have nothing, only deep seated racism....and an incredible amount of hubris and denial to believe no empirical evidence equals evidence...
This is true....but Neanderthals did not develop any method of creating fire. It is possible they might have been taught by Cromagnon how to do this as both interbred. But they simply did not have the mental capability to figure this out on their own. AboveAlpha
Is there any particular reason you age getting so hopped up over this? It is just a discusion. Now since Cromagnon and Neanderthals interbred it is possible that Cromagnon taught Neanderthals how to make fire or how to trap....but at dig sites....nothing has proven this. AboveAlpha
I have ancient yet unidentified hominid in populations mentioned above. Who were they. Y'got nada Just some ancient unidentified hominid you are damned sure is NOT erectus because you fear the consequences to those who believe in such associations as Asians and Asiatic Alcohol Flushing Syndrome. Quelle Racism. No
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Moi....Humans had significantly evolved into various races by the time any Alcohol was created. AboveAlpha
I have started fires in MONSOONS. All you really need is to take sticks of old dry wood that are 1 to 3 inches in diameter...even soaking wet...split them a few times with ones knife....use shreaded cloth, paper or plant pods such as MILKWEED that has a cotton inside it....use flint or primitive fire making tools and get under a tree or under a cliff or in a cave and BAM!!...FIRE!! AboveAlpha
