Screw Joe Biden, I'm putting my chips on Bernie

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Balto, Jan 13, 2020.

  1. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    . He calls himself a socialist. I pretty much allow people to decide what they are rather than impose a label on him. I have not asked him if he is a Marxist, but considering Karl Marx was a major influence on western political and economic thought it virtually impossible to isolate ourselves from his influence. As for the video, I have seen so many like that over the years and attempts to connect Sanders with the likes of Castro, etc is such a dated playbook. Its a yawn.
     
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  2. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Bernie Sanders has accomplished nothing of note his entire life, he'll be 80 yo when he takes on the problems the world. Oh yeah, and he has health issues. Seems to me there's lots of reasons besides the socialist aspect not to waste ones vote on a long shot like Bernie Sanders.
     
  3. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    If my choice is to waste my vote on Bernie or to waste it on Donald, I will pick Bernie every time. Donald destroys everything and everyone one he touches. He's toxic.
     
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    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    No 401k huh? Shame... many Americans are cleaning up in the market.

    Personally, I think you oughta throw your vote away on the pedophile. He better personifies the Democrat party.
     
  5. One Mind

    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I supported Bernie as well in 16 . But he is too old this time aand it depends on his choice for vp. For that person may be president given his age.


    I dont worry about his socialism for congress would not give him much.
    He needs to pick tulsi

    Unless he has changed since 16 he isnt open borders as he said that was what the koch boys want and it hurts working Americans
     
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    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sanders is the only person that can have a chance against trump.

    Why ? Because the working middle know now they have been screwed over by both partied which is why trump is president . A well kept secret by msm and pundits who are part of the status quo that dont represent most Americans.
     
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    You providing all the sources yourself. Thank you!
     
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    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is a part time job and gig 1099 economy .

    The quality of jobs suck overall given it is a service sector economy.
     
  9. btthegreat

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    I am not stupid. Presidents have very little to do with the direction of this economy or that 401. Whoever gets in office will have the same market correction, the same recession in his lap soon enough. I can't vote for Judge Moore. He's not running and if he were, it would be as a republican and with Trump's endorsement.
     
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    Yes the economy did grow under Obama and I am very thankful. My 401k in his last couple years saw good growth. Unfortunately wage growth was stagnant. In eight years of Obama I received 4% wage growth. In three years of Trump I have 16% wage growth. Not to mention my 401k has skyrocketed under Trump. I don’t know why this is so hard for you to understand. I work for a pretty large company. Caterpillar, perhaps you have heard of them? My CEO has stated that without the deregulation of many laws and the tax cuts they could not have given such wage growth to their employees. Not to mention the huge contributions to our profit sharing.
     
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    This presumes that economic growth has anything to do with the President. Prove that, don't just assume that it's so.

    I'm a small business owner, and your CEO is full of ****.
     
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    It does not "attempt to connect Sanders with the likes of Castro, etc," they are actual video accounts of Sanders' speaking in his own words. He supports and praises the regimes of Communists and tyrannical socialist dictators.

    Like many of his ilk, he thinks all those socialist failures, only failed because they didn't know how do it right. Sanders thinks his kindlier, gentler, more compassionate version of socialism will work. Just ask him.

    As if every socialist dictator wannabe that came before Sanders was an idiot, but Sanders will do socialism smarter and better. People like him think we just need to elect them, and they'll do socialism right. "We are the ones we that have been waiting for."
     
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  13. mpw8679

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    So you assume my CEO is full of **** just because our company has benefited from Trumps policies? Is that what you are trying to say? I will not stoop to your level and attack your company just because we disagree.
     
  14. btthegreat

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    Of course it does. It isolates edited portions of his remarks, out of context about specific communist or radical socialist leaders in order to portray him as a radical leftist himself. I am sure he has spoken about a lot of leaders of a lot of countries over 30 years,which are not sitting in this hatchet job. I am sure he has offered criticism of all sorts and kinds of governments and leaders that are not included in the tape, but none of those remarks made past the cutting room floor. So lets not pretend this isn't an agenda driven propaganda piece. Neither you nor I are that dumb. I suspect that you have seen enough mud-slinging political commercials in your day, that take pieces and parts of the opponents' past remarks, spliced them together to produce a specific disingenuous affect.
     
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  15. Balto

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    The difference people are missing here when it comes to Bernie s the excitement he brings to his campaign. He isn't viewed as much as an establishment candidate as Biden is, therefore exciting the younger crowd that, in part, stayed home in 2016. We need that vote. Some editorials have come out saying that its Warren that might be able to reunite the party, but that's doubtful. All betting odds on Warren securing the nomination have plummeted. Warren is just another Hillary Clinton, just more progressive.

    Even if Bernie started rubbing two dimes together in his 40's, its more honorable than Trump being a multi-millionaire at age eight, because of his surname. Shows Bernie has actually been part of the working class he wishes to represent.
     
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    Where does the problem lay in backing someone with proposals to overhaul the dismally broken healthcare system?
    Where does the problem lay in backing someone who is obviously passionate about solving the income inequality in this country?

    There's not. As I see it, you can ack the insurance companies and big box stores like Walgreens when it comes to healthcare or you can back people like Bernie Sanders when ii comes to healthcare. I come from a state that went for Trump in 2016, and the case for Bernie has only thickened since then. Everyone else has only copied his proposals because it resonates with the working class. Whereas Trump represents the baby boomers, Bernie represents the millennials and generation z that will be outliving a fair number of boomers by the end of the decade. We have to move forward as a country, not backward. Thinking we could take America back in time is what got us in this mess.
     
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    Balto Well-Known Member

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    Trump is what? 72? And judging from the figure and fast food diet, I'm pretty sure Trump weighs more than Bernie and has a larger waistline. Bernie could've had a heart attack and called t quits, but he didn't/ That's what matters.
     
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    Let's consider this. The stock market hasn't had some sort of recession in ten years, its still in a massively inflated bubble. The bull eventually gives in to the bear, and the longer it continues to rise, the herder it will fall when the nature of the stock market sets in. It's my fear that we will see something worse than 2008, maybe something nearly as bad as what happened in 1929. The beneficiaries of Trump's economy ultimately have been those with the position to stockpile a lot into the stock market, let's just be real here. And those are more likely to be able to weather a recession or depression when it eventually hits. The rest of us are the people you saw get shafted in 2008 and 1929.

    While you can gloat over the stock market shattering a x number of records, the bigger question we all should be asking ourselves is how hard its hammer will fall.
     
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    Bernie does not worry me in office so much as he worries me beforehand. The problem with a candidate like Bernie is that you take a huge risk that his proposals are too far to the left for the mainstream, and he is easily demonized as wild eyed socialist, but you will never get the benefits because Congress sure in hell will not vote for anything like those proposals.

    He won't get anything stronger than Biden or Clinton if he plays his cards and connections as well as they might have. What you are looking for is the best set of political skills you can find and elect, that will be propose and fight for the most progressive proposals that anyone can pass. Of the four candidates that are remotely viable , he's my last choice, but he is miles better than Trump. If Biden continues to improve his debate performances, I will pick him or Warren who I really like. Buttigieg seems to have plateaued, but I would be delighted to see him win. Sanders is number 4.
     
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    I'm not "trying" to say it--I did.

    I cited to sources. You cited to some guy, and you have no way of knowing what he said has any validity.

    I'll go with the experts. And my own personal experience as a small business owner for decades.
     
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    I did cite sources. Read them carefully before responding next time.
     
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    Or, we could avoid that growth and just stay down and out.

    Growth and a fall aren't absolutely connected. I'm not talking about the fluctuations that are actually normal that may suppress the dow up/down a thousand points, but a crash. This is dependent on how solid or soft the growth is. Personally, I think we have pretty solid growth right now, but we do have political efforts to undermine that, so there is some risk. Actually, if you have the knowledge and grit to handle it- a crash like that of 2008 is a huge opportunity, that comes with the volatility. I did have, as thus did very well coming out of that crisis and also learned a great deal. If it happened again on that scale, I could easily expect to multiply my net worth 500% in the five years following, probably much more. I also recognize that the vast majority of people couldn't do that and would get hammered. Best for the nation if our growth is always on solid grounds, because that makes the difference between reliable recovery or not.

    The market should continue to climb, because our overall economy continues to climb. The market is driven by emotion more than fact. If the emotions get out of proportion to reality, bad things can happen. Might be good for some, but not good for the nation.
     
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    Socialism is for losers.
     
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    So it’s impossible for any company to benefit from Trumps policies?
     
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    I think our current President is proving that to be quite incorrect. Trump's trade deals and ROE's concerning regulations, etc are fueling a great economy that is being built for both long and short term growth.

    What a great company and what a great stock to own. It's up over $50/share since I bought it back in early 2017. Pays a nice little dividend too. I like the long term outlook too, they have a lot of good things and projects going on. Trump has taken the handcuffs off of a lot of these companies and has allowed them to flourish and prosper and the employees along with it.
     

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