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  1. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please tell me why this thread is closed to new posts? ( The GOP Is Dead) could it be the the creator couldn't back up his beliefs? Is the truth to much for him? Seems hard for some posters to listen to the truth. Much less argue against it.
     
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    See last post by MOD. Rule 11 violation.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thread Closed, Rule 11. OP short on elaboration. A paragraph (3 lines) required


    What a shame to close it for that. The GOP is far from dead. The only thing that can kill it is the GOP not getting their message out as to what they have done. So far the Democrats and bias news have done an outstanding job of not telling and the GOP has done a miserable job of getting it out. I'm thinking that has to change soon.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I was not party to the closed topic. But i agree that the GOP message must get out since the media is trying to kill our messages. Trump uses Twitter. Guess we might need to do it too.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have flooded Face Book to what he's done, but Face Book even controls that so only a certain number of friends see it. Although I can often get on a Democratic web sight and pour it on them. I tell them what they don't know of what Trump has done and what kind of rotten job Obama has done. They come out with stuff like Obama got us out of a recession and created 12 million jobs. But they don't tell you how bad those jobs are and that Bush started that recovery by bailing out the banks and starting the bailout of GM and Chrysler in his final week. Can't have a recovery if people can't borrow money.

    I also tell them what a rotten job he did in the Middle East and fighting ISIS. All the Left say is he got ben Laden killed. Not that most of the Middle East nations hate him.
     
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    What the GOP used to stand for in the past is dead. There are no longer any genuine Conservatives who put the nation ahead of their partisan party agenda to be found in the GOP at all. The old style Conservatives who did what was best for the nation no longer exist within the ranks of the GOP probably because they cannot stand the stench of the BLOTUS and his white nationalist hordes.

    So the GOP still exists but it is a hollow shell akin to a burned out building with squatters occupying it and pretending to be "lords of the manor". Rusted pickups on blocks surrounded by overgrown weeds and tires full of water as breeding grounds for mosquitoes is the image that the GOP has today in the eyes of the rest of the world. Something of former glory gone to rack and ruin and not even worth the money it would take to tear it down and start anew.

    Speaking for myself I wish that this was not the case. Our nation would be better served if the GOP still had people of the stature of William F Buckley jr upholding the ideals and principles of genuine Conservatism and keeping the GOP honest and true to what it originally was.

    Alas there are no such people left and we as a nation are the poorer for this appalling lack of genuine Conservatism.

    Instead we have the farcical pretensions of grandeur in the gaudy greed and avarice epitomized by the Establishment BLOTUS and his Mob Boss friends who run the Wall Street Casino. They WORSHIP the ALMIGHTY DOLLAR while stealing everything of value from We the People. Their mindless rush to the bottom to grab every last nickel out of the hands of hardworking Americans while spouting endless LIES blaming everyone else but themselves is a testament to the gaping CHASM between what the GOP once was and what it has become today.

    And yes, the OP in the thread that was closed was right that this abysmal state of affairs is entirely SELF INFLICTED. That means that there is no one who can turn the GOP around. We will just have to live with the animated corpse of the GOP being paraded around under the glare of Tiki torches and the crunch of jackboots on gravel as they salute their "god-emperor".

    Sad!
     
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    Bush did it earlier than what you tell them. Democrats do not want to admit that Bush saved our auto industry and made Banks take money to keep them all solvent. And he took over Fannie Mae.

    Ask the Obama-obnoxious what he did and they honestly do not know. They make claims they can't ever back up. But for waterboarding, not even Obama would have killed Osama Bin Laden.
     
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    We had to give into Democrats since 1933 almost all the time. Even when Trump won, he never had the power of the Senate. The rules of the Senate flat guaranteed the Democrats had blocking power. I am 80 pal so am not fooled by what you tell these young people. I may be the sole person posting who actually does recall the then living FDR giving speeches.

    Hyperbole ... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You want them to think we have lived during the republican days of around 1900.

    It is not the case. Go back to 1933 and tell me how long the Republican congress was powerful enough to even create law? Seldom has that party had that much power to enable any republican president to do much at all. Even Reagan faced the Democrats and had to give into them to do things he did. William Buckley never saw a republican president with the power Democrats had with their congress and presidents either.

    What is sad for me is to teach you lessons only we who are old enough to remember and you no doubt will resent it and raise the roof. But I know the truth. I was a long term Democrat.
     
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    Sounds so bad, to bad much of it isn't true. I don't want the old GOP back. I want one that can move with the tide. That knows when to give and one who can take. The GOP is no more tied to the mighty dollar than the Democrats are. Trump isn't a hard core Republican. He has done more for the American people in two years than Obama did in eight. He has done more to lift Americans out of poverty by bringing good jobs back then the Democrats put in poverty with Obama's policies. The economist had given up on America being nothing more than a low paying part time and service economy. They said manufacturing was dead and not coming back and we need to get use to it. Trump knew better. He knew what business needed to make them grow and he went ahead and did it, even to the dislikes of many in his Party. It worked. But the only thing the Liberals saw is that he made the rich richer and threw crumbs from the table for the rest of us and that's what most of them believe. That's what they drilled into them. Just how do they think Trump got back all that manufacturing Obama and Pelosi said was gone and not coming back? Just how did he make a strong diverse economy from one that was over 90% service and part time economy? He didn't just wave a magic wand to do it as Obama said he'd need to do. He didn't just bring back manufacturing. The economy is well diverse in many industries. America now has one of, if not the hottest economy on the planet. If the Democrats don't ruin it for him by doing some of the things they say they will do.

    It's just not a hot economy Trump has done. He fixed a military that was falling apart under Obama. Fixed the V.A. where many vets were dying waiting to get in and get timely care. Pushed prison reform to give convicts a second chance. Got one hundred billion dollars ok'd to fix up minority neighborhoods to bring back business and make them safer. Pushed the FDA to come out with scores of new generic drugs to help bring down drug prices. Does that sound like the old GOP? Does that sound like they are dead?
     
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    Thank you so much for the excellent post. I feel bad I had not said that first. I was trying to point out how the old GOP was well back to around 1900 and not in modern times. The GOP when we did get presidents was hamstrung by Democrat congress. Even now Trump is hamstrung. Sure he did have the Senate but it has particular rules that favor the Democrats being the minority. The House worked it's ass off for us. But both speakers could not ram it through the Senate. (Boehner and Ryan)

    Pelosi won't ram a ham sandwich through the Senate either. She has no power.
     
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    I Robert are almost as old as you. Was a Democrat from Kennedy through Carter. A good man but a lousy President. I switch then to Reagan and switched again when Perot ran, I knew NAFTA was a bad deal for us and would suck our jobs away. Switched again to Clinton in his second term. So I have plenty of experience in both Parties. I saw what Obama done to wreck this economy. The kind of jobs his policies created. How he set back race relations 60 years by prejudging Cop on Black conflicts. Which also helped create BLM and lead to a field day against cops. I saw how he allowed ISIS to grow from about 700 fighters left over from Bush's war on Iraq to allowing them to grow to over 30,000. He didn't want to get involved. Allowed them to take over almost half of Iraq and never got serious fighting them until his last year in office. But does the Left know any of this? No, they still think he was one of the best Presidents we ever had. The bias news won't tell you.
     
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    Your welcome Robert. My father I am sure was just like yours, a hard core Democrat and so was all five of my siblings. None of us are Democrats today and my one brother was the President of our transit union for three strait terms. We all saw what Reagan saw. We didn't leave the Democratic Party, they left us. I won't be tied to one Party just because of what they did in the past. Neither Party are what they use to be. But I know what Trump has done and besides of his many faults, he is just what America needed to bring this country back. All the Democrats care about is getting back in power and staying there for generations. By playing up to the second largest group in America. Maybe the largest the way they are allowing them to flood in here and turning everyone else against us, by saying we hate everyone but Whites and we should be ashamed if we are one of them
     
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    The single WORST PROBLEM that our nation faces TODAY is wealth inequality thanks ENTIRELY to the fiscal malfeasance of the Republican/Libertarian policies that have DESTROYED the future of America.

    Your BLOTUS has only INCREASED the magnitude of that PROBLEM by giving away even MORE tax dollars to the wealthy and the corporations.

    He has GUTTED the regulations that kept Americans SAFE from the rapacious greed of corporations that will RUIN our air and water for generations to come.

    Your BLOTUS is turning our nation into a 3rd world shithole country with himself as wannabe DICTATOR for life.

    Unfortunately the supporters of the BLOTUS don't care enough about America to want to stop the LOOTING and PILLAGING by the Wall Street Casino Bosses.

    The ESTABLISHMENT must be laughing their asses off at the gullibility of the BLOTUS supporters while they shovel their ill gotten gains into their offshore bank accounts.

    Sad!
     
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    Just how do they think Trump got back all that manufacturing Obama and Pelosi said was gone and not coming back? Just how did he make a strong diverse economy from one that was over 90% service and part time economy? He didn't just wave a magic wand to do it as Obama said he'd need to do. He didn't just bring back manufacturing. The economy is well diverse in many industries. America now has one of, if not the hottest economy on the planet. If the Democrats don't ruin it for him by doing some of the things they say they will do.

    Tell me just how much better off was Americans under Obama with over 90% service and part time jobs? How much richer did we get when his policies chased out over 300,000 manufacturing jobs and replaced them with mostly low paying service and part time jobs? Did the rich get richer when they moved those jobs out of the country to one where wages were very low and they paid little or no benefits? I would say they got a lot richer. And how did Americans make out losing those good paying jobs and having to take a service or part time job? Did they get richer or poorer? Either way, the rich got richer. But there is only one way the people got richer and that is keeping those good jobs here and bringing more good jobs from across the pond with them and that sir is just what Trump did. Americans are in much better shape than they were under Obama. Millions have been lifted out of welfare and poverty. Now show me I'm wrong.
     
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    • How good were the 10.9 million jobs under Obama?
      Money.CNN.com/2016/11/04/news/economy/jobs-under-obama/...
      Nov 03, 2016 · CNNMoney breaks down what kinds of jobs have been created and ... Almost all of the job gains under President Obama have been in so-called service jobs,

    The deep recession wiped out primarily high-wage and middle-wage jobs. Yet the strongest employment growth during the sluggish recovery has been in low-wage work, at places like strip malls and fast-food restaurants.

    In essence, the poor economy has replaced good jobs with bad ones. That is the conclusion of a new report from the National Employment Law Project, a research and advocacy group, analyzing employment trends four years into the recovery.

    “Fast food is driving the bulk of the job growth at the low end — the job gains there are absolutely phenomenal,” said Michael Evangelist, the report’s author. “If this is the reality — if these jobs are here to stay and are going to be making up a considerable part of the economy — the question is, how do we make them better?”

    The report shows that total employment has finally surpassed its pre-recession level. “The good news is we’re back to zero,” Mr. Evangelist said.

    But job losses and gains have been skewed. Higher-wage industries — like accounting and legal work — shed 3.6 million positions during the recession and have added only 2.6 million positions during the recovery. But lower-wage industries lost two million jobs, then added 3.8 million.
    HTTPS://www.nytimes.com/…/recovery-has-created-far-more-low…



    77 percent of 2013 jobs were part-time positions ...
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/2/part-timer-nation...
    Aug 02, 2013 · Fully 77 percent of positions added to the market in 2013 have been part-time, in contrast to the positive economic news making the media rounds, according to payroll reports released in recent weeks.

    "There are now 1.2 million fewer jobs in mid- and higher-wage industries than there were before the Great Recession, according to data from the National Employment Law Project. In contrast, there are 2.3 million more jobs in lower-wage sectors than before the recession," according to CNBC. Nor is there the hoped-for renaissance in American manufacturing. We have some 300,000 fewer manufacturing jobs since President Barack Obama took office and 1.5 million jobs below the pre-recession level.



    https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/08/23/the-part-time-economic-recovery
     
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    That won't work since Twitter automatically shuts down most conservative voices for telling the actual truth about issues and policy matters and most especially as those refer to leftists. You have to already be famous to be more or less immune to Twitter's partisan censorship efforts as some people they do not dare shut down . . . Trump being one of them.
     
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    Tell me how much did this hurt America and the American people? Apple got a big tax cut out of Trump. Made them a lot richer. But without it, those billions would still be stuck in an off shore bank and the plant would still be in China. Look what we got out of giving them that tax cut. Did only the rich get richer and the rest of us just crumbs from the table?

    The Democrats keep saying the tax cuts are a sham and only help the rich. Well I have posted a lot of manufacturing jobs coming back and those jobs help everyone. Not only is Apple bringing back billions, paying over 38 billion in taxes, buying back stock, that helps anyone who owns stock in Apple with their IRA, or 401-K, they are building a plant here and closing one in China and building a second corporate campus that will hire an additional 20,000 besides the thousands that will work in the plant. Tax cuts a shame? Only help the rich? I think not.

    Newscentermaine.com | Why Apple is bringing billions back home
    www.newscentermaine.com/article/news/nation-now/...
    A second corporate campus, an additional 20,000 workers and a $350 billion commitment. That's Apple's pledge to the U.S. As the tech giant announced a sweeping set of moves Wednesday to bring back billions of its offshore cash and spur economic growth. The plan also includes paying $38 billion in taxes.
     
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    Ignoring the WORST PROBLEM that We the People face duly noted because there is no way to honestly DENY that the BLOTUS has made the wealth disparity much WORSE with his TAXCUTS for corporations and the wealthy.
     
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    The job creation portion corporate tax cuts/ regulation relief of his policies have been effective over the last 18 months. And As A dem I am glad they they were. However there was no reason to give the rich another tax cut to increase the deficit.
     
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    So tell me again Derideo_Te , who widened the gap between the rich and the poor? Was it Trump or Obama? With all those jobs coming back and many companies moving here with them, America now has one of, if not the hottest economy in the world. There are more Blacks, Hispanics and Asians working than ever before. Did we only get the crumbs from the table? Were the rich the only ones who made out? Over a million people are off of welfare and food stamps since Trump took office. Was that just a fluke?
     
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    You and I disagree here on Corporate tax rates. Corporations should not pay any taxes, nor should they pay for our retirement (matching ss contributions) or the healthcare of their employees. A corporations job is to make money and provide jobs.
    Now but then, there should be not diff intax rates on earned income vs capital gains either.
     
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    Tell me Derideo_Te , how did trump pull that off. Did he wave his magic wand to do it as Obama said he'd have to? Our was it the tax cuts and cuts in the regulations Obama poured on them to drive them off that brought them back?
     
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    The PROBLEM began DECADES AGO!

    Look at the Libertarian Party platform that one of the Koch brothers ran on in the 1980's. It was a TEMPLATE for the FISCAL MALFEASANCE polices that the GOP adopted and has been using to GUT the wealth of hardworking Americans and transfer it into the offshore bank accounts of the Wall Street Casino Bosses and their wealthy elite shareholders.

    That you are FIXATED on Obama says volumes!

    That you are a BLOTUS supporter says even more!
     
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    The economy is doing good, but please take into consideration that Trump has made it harder to get and stay on welfare and foodstamps. I am not debating whether that is a good or bad policy. But to ignore the policy and cite a drop is disingenuous.
     
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    So corporations should just be allowed to USE people and then throw them out to starve in poverty after they are no longer useful?

    Corporations are the PROBLEM that CAUSES POVERTY!
     

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