Segregation is back in style

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Lil Mike, Nov 16, 2019.

  1. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    OK the phrase you are looking for is "public accommodation." So yes a private business lunch counter couldn't discriminate because it's open to the public, but your Klan meeting wouldn't be.

    Yes people can privately create and join clubs that racially discriminate. However if you peruse the thread (which apparently you didn't) these are not about private clubs.
     
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    Speaking of babbling. As if we needed yet another demonstration. You write these broad swaths of misinformation. Why again? Tell us again what it means when say Augusta National doesn't allow women? Is that a "safe special place" as was asserted? The Voting Rights Act was full of illegal measures, and you know it. Pretending, and screaming at folks on the sidewalk isn't helping your case here.
     
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    Speaking of babbling. As if we needed yet another demonstration. You write these broad swaths of misinformation. Why again? Tell us again what it means when say Augusta National doesn't allow women? Is that a "safe special place" as was asserted? The Voting Rights Act was full of illegal measures, and you know it. Pretending, and screaming at folks on the sidewalk isn't helping your case here.
     
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    Project much? Try proving me wrong.

    No, it wasn't. What I know is that it withstood a number of legal challenges until kooks got control of the court. The decision you clumsily refer to said pre-clearance wasn't needed, and the very next day, the largest, most comprehensive voter suppression bill in the history of the country was passed.

    We're in a historic rise in racism, and the racists are not far from bringing back Jim Crow. Which has happened before, and it's happening again..
     
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    For example?
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Racist? I listed some right-wing groups who formed "safe spaces" where like minds can get together and freely exchange their "feelings" and you're a right-winger so I thought you could appreciate that. Throwing that race card again.

    Forming like minded groups is not what the majority is against. Groups like gays, Catholics, Black bikers, Latvians, gingers, incels, Mexicans, Jews form groups where they can freely associate with the like minded. The only ones complaining are the right-wingers who always seem to get their panties in a bunch when minorities do it. It's segregation!

    Augusta National? They let women join in the early 2010s because of member and public pressure. The organization evolved and is better for it. Welcome to the 21st century.
    I feel I have a sense of proportion and you......not so much.
     
  7. Lil Mike

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    All I asked is for you to draw the line on where you approve of racial segregation and where you disapprove of it. Easy right?
     
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    You just entirely ignored the outcomes of your commentary then. If, as you suggest that "forming like minded groups" isn't what you've advocated for. You suggested that legally, groups can discriminate, and they you suggest that "like minded" (although not limited to like minded) groups can be formed. To the exclusion of others which you termed, entirely acceptable. The case of Augusta National is a good example, like minded folks decided that they didn't want to have women members. Given your "like minded" standard, they were within their rights to discriminate in that way. You suggested they were"better for it" once they caved to public pressure (and a law suit) that forced them to ignore their like mindedness and admit women. That is, basically a double standard then. Because you identify that diversity is then "better" than "like minded" even though, when the group is one you favor, you'd not allow public pressure, or opinion to otherwise force diversity within those enclaves of discrimination you like. You have to take a side here. If you agree that "minorities" can discriminate, then you cannot justify not allowing anyone to discriminate. it's unconstitutional btw. Even if you find it appealing, it's is unlawful in the United States. The 14th amendment until modified is the law of the land, regardless of your own proclivities. Welcome to the 21rst century.
     
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    There isn't a line, except one formed by their feelz..... Minorities are allowed to discriminate in their commentary, and yet when you carve out other reservations of "minority" you know, rich white men, that cannot be tolerated by this poster. But if you add the jingoistic buzzword "gay" rich white men, well, then, that's just groovy...
     
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    Maybe later.
     
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    I might have a wee bit of an issue with Klan philosophy but I don't have an issue with them admitting only racist white Protestants. Jews, Blacks and Catholics aren't demanding that they stop this unjust segregation!

    But when some obscure school board wants to have a single meeting for people of color to air their concerns right-wingers get hysterical with the New Jim Crowe!, on par with George Wallace!

    Please get a grip
    Oh contraire mon frere. Private clubs and groups can discriminate (1st Amendment) as long as they are not a "place of public accommodation" and I got no problem with that. BTW a law suit didn't change Augusta's rules but being on a national stage did. I think any male only group would be better if they admitted women but they have a right not to, hardly a double standard.


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    Well, at least you admit that you're willing to ignore segregation. Most democrats wouldn't but here you are, banging the drum. Tell me again why you think this is legal now? Are you telling us that all the diversity BS doesn't matter anymore as long as your pet minority groups can associate in any manner they wish? SO, the next time a gay couple find the non publicly accommodated business won't bake their cake, you'll be on board with that, right? I mean, where is your line? You suggest that it's cool to be discriminatory, and at the same time, you suggest that diversity is the better path, how do you get diversity when you insist on segregating folks. Seems to be a pretty difficult logic fracture in your belief. Hence the double standard. Good for they but not the rest of us..
     
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    You seem to be having trouble rapping your head around something simple. We, under 1A, are free to form associations which can be restrictive, some in a good way, some in a bad. The Amvets vs Klan for example....tis our right. Business that is open to the public needs to be open to all the public or they can be members only.
     
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    exemplary argumentation! truly an awe-inspiring display of rhetorical skill, guaranteed to change the hearts and minds of many
     
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    A school board is a government entity. I can't believe I'm asking this, but are you sure you favor government sanctioned racial discrimination?
     
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    So, I'm struggling here... You just said that folks can and do freely associate, but not when one of your pet minorities is excluded. That seems pretty contradictory to me, but hey, you wrote it. Why does government, in your mind, get to tell folks who have freely associated that they must accommodate the minorities that you want to see included, but at the same time, you're willing to grant a reservation of "safety" to those same minorities who don't have to be inclusive. Again, logic fracture, followed by whacadoodle...I don't know who "AmVets" are, but I bet you can find folks who may have served who are members of the democratic party enforcers, you know, the Klan. The Klan never ceased being a creature of the democratic party, they have never wavered in their religious faith in the plantation model of the democratic party, have they?

    I really don't think you understand what public accommodation is. But at this point, who cares. All I gather is that you're ok with minorities segregating and not being required to be inclusive, and you're unwilling to change your mind.
     
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    I had stuff to do.

    Dealing with denial is tedious and constant here.

    You almost never change the minds of racists, they can handle epic amounts of denial in the face of the obvious.

    Btw, desegregation stopped, and then reversed, in 1989..
     
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    then literally just don't respond until you're done. it's an internet forum not a real conversation you dont have to explain being absent
    that's true of most political ideologies honestly. you can't fix denial. but there is value to trying - see the quote in my sig.
     
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    Uh, there was no "government sanctioned racial discrimination" unbunch your panties. "Parents of all races are welcome..."
    This is really getting inane.
    A public accommodation is a private entity that owns, operates, leases, or leases to, a place of public accommodation. Places of public accommodation include a wide range of entities, such as restaurants, hotels, theaters, doctors' offices, pharmacies, retail stores, museums, libraries, parks, private schools, and day care centers. Private clubs and religious organizations are exempt from the ADA's title III requirements for public accommodations.
    It is against the law for an individual to be denied access or to receive poor service or lesser quality accommodations because of his or her race, color, national origin, ancestry, religion, sex, and disability.
    Here is what the Amvets are since you don't know. The Klan backed Trump and they've all been Republicans since '65.
    I hope you learned something today!
     
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    What is crazy is that you're willing to come here and so publicly lie. I recall the what was he again, the great and grand dragon inquisitor, whom I believe Joe Biden called one of his greatest mentors, Robert Byrd doesn't seem to have suddenly become a republican. This set of lies you tell yourself are actually harming the nation. You should stop.
     
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    They've been in the Republican party for a very long time, and you know it.

    The Koch brothers, that funded the Reagan campaign, pushed the ideas of the lunatic economist Buchanon into the Republican party. By no coincidence, his views are so out there that you could describe them as a 'plantation model'.

    You prob don't know about him. Republicans still don't like admitting what they've done.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-architect-of-the-radical-right/528672/
     
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    robert byrd renounced his klan views a long time ago he clearly does not represent the political interests of current klan members
     
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    I, in fact, know nothing of the sort. Although this is a lie oft repeated by the left to scare folks from republicans who would make their lives better. The Atlantic article doesn't demonstrate anything except they don't understand how the Klan is an integral part of the democratic party. Always was, is, and will be. This is how democrats scare folks, don't you know. and you're just pushing the same lie. Tell us again why so many undocumented/illegals are flooding in while Joe Biden is president again... and then address the question of the who's promoting the Klan again... bet it doesn't occur to you, it's folks just like you.
     
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    That old troll. Democrats, like Byrd, had to renounce their racist past, which Byrd did. He did that so thoroughly he got more support from Black voters than White.

    Several Dems were kicked out because they didn't. Some became Republican.

    Speaking of lying, you know too much not to be lying. Which is to be expected, n'est-ce pas?
     
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    Sure he did. And you believed him. LOL What did LBJ say about it again??
     

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