Sen. Kamala Harris On Reparations.

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  1. Well Bonded

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    Sen. Kamala Harris, a candidate for president, is floating a new idea: funding for mental health treatment as a form of reparations for slavery. She talks with NPR's Steve Inskeep.

    https://www.npr.org/2019/03/14/703299534/sen-kamala-harris-on-reparations

    So the obvious question should be is she just another Democratic politician jumping on the reparations bandwagon to garner votes or is there more to the story?

    Well in Harris's case there is quite a bit more, it seems her ancestors on her fathers side where actually Jamaican slave traders.

    "Sen. Kamala Harris (D., Calif.) is the descendant of an Irishman who owned a slave plantation in Jamaica, according to her father's lengthy ancestral summary of his side of the family.


    Donald Harris, a Stanford University economics professor, revealed in 2018 that his
    grandmother was a descendant of Hamilton Brown, the namesake of Brown's Town in northern Jamaica."

    https://freebeacon.com/politics/kamala-harriss-ancestors-owned-slaves/

    Wonderful, maybe Harris's family should be making the reparations, not the U.S. taxpayers!
     
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    As has been pointed out, this claim comes from Kamala Harris' great grandmother who was born in 1889, had the maiden name of Brown, but the city of Brown's Town has a bunch of people named Brown. Many slaves use the last name of former slave masters and Hamilton Brown and slavery died many years before a known relative of Kamala Harris was born. To date, there is no reliable source showing a family connection between Kamala Harris and Hamilton Brown, it's merely hearsay her dad reported.

    Even so, how many generations would it take to find some relative in anyone's background, currently living in the US, to show a relationship with someone who owned slaves? Your family would have to be recent arrivals to avoid any relationship.
     
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    Line arrived in the late 1800's and had no relationship with anyone tied to slavery.
     
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    Because former slaves need special mental health treatment?
     
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    Her ancestors probably sold slaves to Beto’s ancestors.
     
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    People tend to identify with their father's ancestry, but the ancestral reality is we have two parents, four grandparents, eight great grandparents and sixteen great, great grandparents. They all had to come from somewhere and are all equally contributing to a person's genes. For your ancestors to have arrived in the late 1800's means they all had to arrive then and that usually isn't the case.

    I remember visiting three of my four great grandparents on my father's side who were born in the late 1800's and being visited a couple of times by one of them when I was young. That is a benefit of being born when your parents are young, in my case, my dad was 21, mom 18 and my dad was born when my grandfather was 20 and grandmother 16. My mother, on the other hand was the last of nine children and her dad died when she was a child, so I only met my grandmother on her side and she died when I was a child. Being born with younger parents makes a big difference in witnessing past generations.

    Of the 44 million foreign born in the US total of 327 million, half (22 million) are US citizens who were born in another country. These people are around in sufficient numbers, but they are so Americanized, they don't stand out in most cases. The other 22 million are about half in the line for citizenship or undocumented immigrants.

    I view reparations as a policy some have suggested to repair the real issue of income inequality, which involves gender as well. My guess is you list your entire ancestry on people who arrived after slavery in the late 1800's and believe you shouldn't be responsible for things happening before your ancestors arrived. What about all those Mexicans and others, like in Jamaica, who abolished slavery long before the US did? Texas and a good bit of our southwest were distant territories of Mexico and slavery was definitely an issue for Texas. Americans were settling in Texas and bringing slaves with them, which was against the law in Mexico.
     
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    Reparations are another false promise by candidates. They know it but they hope the useful idiots will fall for it.
     
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    The idiots who fall for it are the ones who take it seriously and I don't mean the Blacks.
     
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    So you admit dems are lying.
     
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    You obviously can't see the picture, no matter what is shown to you.

    There is no way to repair the past, just a way to fix the present. If you think Black people think they will ever get reparations for slavery, you are dreaming and have never met enough Blacks to even know them. I've had to listen to stupid remarks from racists my whole life and it does get sickening. They tell me **** like the United Negro College Fund (UNCF) is racist, so I checked details like who started it. It was started by White people, I guess a word like Negro just goes in one ear and out the other with no racist mind knowing it existed.

    Let's try a reality check for a change. I don't give a damn what policy someone on the left is offering in a primary or anything people like you have to say about it. Your wasting your ****ing breath telling me anything, because you've demonstrated the complete lack of moral fiber in your position.

    Figure this out, when White people with large families have utter contempt for what you support, you don't have a chance to get your ways in this country. That's your reality.
     
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    No DNC nominee has ever supported reparations, the issue dies on the vine. This could be the first time a nominee has openly supported reparations, and that is not a position you can back away from while trying to move center for the general election. Its one of the reason DNC primaries are fixed, they know nobody who supports reparations can win the general election and will do all they can to weed them out. Although this cycle Democrats are nearly at an internal war status, so who knows which clown will become the nominee...
     
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    It's good to create polices during the early stages of an election to suggest solutions to issues, but only wackos on the right think such policies will be platforms. Who cares what they think, they never get anything right?
     
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    You don't get it, no DNC nominee ever supported reparations. The GOP will make it part of the platform, and that can't be walked back, it can't be ignored. Those words can never go back in the bottle, no matter how much the liberal media tries to spin it...
     
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    Of course you base your opinion on racism, which is what the left does continually, but it would be impossible to implement. Who would get it? For instance, it wouldn't apply to Kamala Harris. Who pays? Those that never had any ancestors that had anything to do with slavery, which would be most Americans. You don't think there would be great resentment for people that were related to abolitionists that fought to free slaves? How would they be responsible? It would have to come from taxes which means black people would be paying reparations. Housing for reparations? Just another name for taxpayers paying.
     
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    Kamala Harris does, Bernie does. Cory Booker does. Julian Castro does. Klobuchar, Warren, Gillibrand, O'Rourke, and Williamson all support it in one way or another.
     
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    Those are candidates, I'm talking the nominee, after the primaries. Its one of the reasons the DNC rigged the primaries against Bernie. Reparations doesn't play well with the general public, particularly with moderate Democrats and independents. Its a guaranteed loss in the big show...
     
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    It's the case I have my family history do not take the liberty to try and correct me on it when you have no idea what you are talking about.
     
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    How in hell do you know how I base my opinion on anything? No matter what anybody says, it's only your mind that makes your assessments and it's like a broken record. Your kind can't even talk about a subject without a personal attack, because you don't know anything.

    I remember being on a forum about ten or so years ago and discussing poverty. It was about the time a government report on poverty was due, so a tax exempt, non-profit, think tank organization called the Heritage Foundation had already expected the negative report before it was due and started posting crap in right wing rags around the country about how being poor in America wasn't so bad. I was doing some research and discovered wiki had an article on the 100 poorest counties in America, so I asked myself, what is screwed up in these counties to make them included in the 100 poorest counties in America. America has 3242 counties or equivalents, some states like Louisiana and Alaska use a different name for counties. Wiki also has links for counties, so it was easy to check them and it didn't take long for a pattern to emerge.

    The 100 poorest counties in America fell into four distinct groups. Counties with large Indian reservations, large Hispanic populations, mostly in Texas, large Black populations, in the deep South and nearly all White Appalachian counties, southern West Virginia, Virginia panhandle and mostly eastern Kentucky. Appalachia was exploited because of greed and it's hard to develop the land in the mountains, but it can't be a coincidence those other poorest counties in America just happen to have large minority populations.

    I really don't give a damn how the right wing plays their game, because I know it's going nowhere. You can wrap yourself in the flag, pretending to be a patriot and disregarding every word that should be held sacred from our countries foundation and it won't work. The days of people listening to you are over.
     
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    LOL, your post was filled with race based poppycock and ad homs.
     
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    What is race based poppycock about all those counties being the poorest with various racial minorities? I didn't make them that way and only observed the fact.

    Our country was more conservative in it's past and they sure as hell wouldn't have elected Don "the Mensa" tRump in those days. I remember how Reagan was disliked by the older generation, because he had a divorce.
     
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    LOL

    "complete lack of moral fiber"

    "White people with large families"

    Nuff said.
     
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    Like a dinosaur watching the light in the sky.
     
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    Amazing how liberals either cannot spell or think their misspellings are cute.

    How dumb.
     
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    The same way you claim to know when my ancestors arrived?
     
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    Amazing how a right winger can't think of anything to say about a subject and always has to talk about people.
     

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