Senate Dems deliver stunning warning to Supreme Court: ‘Heal’ or face restructuring

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  1. Steady Pie

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    It's possible, likely even. If you recall FDR won 38 states after packing the court, so this is not necessarily true.
     
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    then don't whine when dems take over and do the same
     
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    Get your facts strait. It was Reid, a democrat that changed the rules.

    What happened on Nov. 21, 2013?

    In 2013, Democrats, led by then-Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, finally gave in to frustration over the refusal by the chamber’s Republican minority to approve President Barack Obama’s appointees, notably appeals-court judges. With the support of 52 Democrats, Reid succeeded in deploying the nuclear option, easing passage of several of Obama’s executive-branch and judicial nominees.

    read:https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...tions-answered-about-nuclear-option-filibust/
     
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    Have any of them ever read the Constitution?
     
  5. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Reid had nothing to do with Supreme court judges, that was all republicans, get your own facts right - face it, you were wrong

    even your own quote says that, the Reid change was for "appeals-court judges", the republicans change was for SC judges
     
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    We aren't going through a depression or a world war. It's different times.
     
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    I'll whine as much as I want just like you lefties do.
     
  8. FreshAir

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    go ahead and whine all you want, fair is fair... republicans want to cheat to politicize the SC, dems will return the favor
     
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    It was in 1937, 2 years prior to the outbreak of war and 5 years prior to American entry. Futhermore, by 1937 the US was posting far more positive numbers than a few years prior, indeed by 1938 they were no longer in recession at all.

    I think if Dems tried it Dem supporters would back them, and GOP supporters would oppose, and nothing would really change.

    You say people would roundly oppose packing the court but it's only happened once and they weren't.
     
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    No one with that name was ever nominated to SCOTUS.

    Making things up is the typical MO for Trump and his supporters.
     
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    Everyone with a brain knows Reid was the first to use the Nuclear Option in 2013 , when under his direction the bare majority of Democrats in the Senate removed the ability to filibuster for judicial nominees below the U.S. Supreme Court level. That allowed Obama to stuff the federal courts full of nominees and to alter the balance on some of the crucial federal courts of appeal.

    if Democrats ever retook the Senate with a Democratic President in place, the Nuclear Option would be used for U.S. Supreme Court vacancies as well. Reid didn’t need to go that far in 2013, because there were no vacancies to be filled on the U.S. Supreme Court at the time.

    If there were any doubt that Reid took the move with the Supreme Court in mind, he just removed that doubt in an interview with Talking Points Memo,

    Outgoing Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) said he is confident that he has laid the groundwork for Democrats to nuke the filibuster for Supreme Court nominees if they win back the Senate in November. (they didn't)

    Envisioning Hillary Clinton in the White House and Democrats controlling the Senate, Reid warned that if a Senate Republican minority blocks her Supreme Court nominee, he is confident the party won’t hesitate to change the filibuster rules again.

    Such a move would be an extension of what Reid did in 2013 when he was still majority leader, eliminating filibusters (with a simple majority vote) on the President’s nominees. There was only one exception: the Supreme Court. As it stood until Trump was elected, Democrats still needed 60 votes to move forward with a Supreme Court nominee.

    Reid said, however, that could change.

    “I really do believe that I have set the Senate so when I leave, we’re going to be able to get judges done with a majority. It takes only a simple majority anymore. And, it’s clear to me that if the Republicans try to filibuster another circuit court judge, but especially a Supreme Court justice, I’ve told ’em how and I’ve done it, not just talking about it. I did it in changing the rules of the Senate. It’ll have to be done again,” Reid told TPM in a wide-ranging interview about his time in the Senate and his legacy.​

    Three things happened after Reid finally retired. 1) Trump won the presidency, (2) Republicans took control of the Senate, and (3) Republican Senators were willing to play smash mouth as aggressively as Harry Reid and Democrats did.

    Republicans used the gift that keeps on coming, the rule change old Harry Reid gave to the Senate.
    They confirmed Neil Gorsuch to Supreme Court after the Senate used the 'Nuclear Option'.

    It was a mostly Republican party-line 54-45 vote after weeks of political fighting and democrat obstruction.

    Harry Reid changed the nature of high court appointments now and in the future.

    You gota know when to fold em, which you obviously don't. The more you insist democrat Harry Reid wasn't the first the to use 'Nuclear Option' the more ignorant you appear. I understand how important it is for radicals to resist facts and truth but it is what it is. You have to and be right all the time, at any cost. I get it.

    I'm not wasting my time on you anymore. The facts are what they are and recorded in history. Harry Reid would have used the now famous rule change he is responsible for a SC nominee if one had come up before republicans won, bigly.

    Think of the 50 vote 'Nuclear Option' as one of the spoils of war.
     
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    republicans changed the rules for SC picks to 50, everyone knows this, you can spin all you want, but republicans did that
     
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    Yes, they did because democrats enabled the rule change and used it first. Fact, no spin.
     
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    Because Rs used the filibuster to block any appointments on party lines. Rs were the ones that politicised the process. Rather than examining the nominees on their merits, they refused to let the process move forward at all. Disgraceful.
     
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    Resisting, obstructing and slow walking nominees is what is disgraceful. Schemer, what a joke.
     
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    There isn’t broad general support among Democrats for packing the court, contrary to the rantings of the OP.

    There is concern. Kavanaugh obviously campaigned for his seat by hinting that he would be Trump’s “get out of jail free” card.

    And given Trump’s tendency to put self interest and petty short term talk radio politics ahead of the Constitution or the rule of law, they’re justified in their concern.

    But changing the shape of the Court is not a good idea.
     
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    dems did not do the rule change for SC judges, that was all Republicans, no one else but Republicans
     
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    60 votes was fine for how many years, court packing via the 50 vote rule change has changed everything - now the court has been politicized - thanks to republicans

    with needing 60 votes, a party had to at least pick someone more moderate, now that has all changed
     
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    That started with McConnell in the Obama years. That is what resulted in Reid changing the rules for appeals-court nominees.

    And then he did it again with Merrick Garland. I'm glad you agree that McConnell's conduct during the Obama years was disgraceful.
     
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    Bingo. Harry Reid changed the rules regarding courts and McConnel bitch-slapped him with those changes.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehil...d-change-rules-for-supreme-court-nominees?amp


    "I really do believe that I have set the Senate so when I leave, we're going to be able to get judges done with a majority," he said. "It's clear to me that if the Republicans try to filibuster another circuit court judge, but especially a Supreme Court justice, I've told 'em how and I've done it, not just talking about it. I did it in changing the rules of the Senate. It'll have to be done again."

    Harry Ried assumed the Senate and Preaidency were theirs and the Republicans own the court for another generation now. Thanks for changing the rules Harry lol
     
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    Garland was the straw that sealed Mitchy The Kids place in history as a full-on obstructionist... everything he's done under Trump is gravy.

    On topic, this is a simple warning to the SCOTUS that the 2nd amendment doesn't say owning any type of weapon is an absolute right...
     
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    What this boils down to is wanting to do away with Constitutional Government. Total Control, 1984 in 2019. FDR tried packing the SCOTUS, it failed because the people rose up against him.
     
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    McConnell has achieved packing SCOTUS by blocking the Garland nomination. Are you going to rise up against him? Or even speak out against him?
     
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    Pulled what with Obama? I agree the left's behavior has and will set a dangerous precendent.

    Gerrymandering has nothing to do with the Court, and last I checked Cummings and the MD dems still have the most gerrymandered state in the nation.

    What voter disinfranchishment? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party_voter_intimidation_case

    Court packing? What are you even talking about? https://www.salon.com/2013/11/21/reid_goes_nuclear_now_bring_on_the_liberal_activist_judges/

    There is no chain reaction...the Dems have behaved this way throughout history, and continue to behave this way.
     
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    flame baiting noted
     

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