Seriously….. What would it take for a GOD to prove itself? (Part 2)

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Do you believe we humans have been created or at least are guided?

  1. No.. all life has evolved due to random chance and particle inertia.

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  2. Yes. I have concluded that some sort of intelligence is guiding humanity.

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  3. No we humans are probably the most technologically advanced species in the multiverse.

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  4. Yes. I certainly see evidence of guidance and answered prayer in my own life.

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  5. No. a truly superior life form would not allow such injustice and suffering.

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  6. I really am not sure what to think?????

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Congratulations AboveAlpha…. you had another thread continue to the maximum number of posts.

    Thank you for being one of the most well informed, interesting as well as polite writers that I have encountered on discussion forums.




    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...riously-what-would-take-god-prove-itself.html

     
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    I just read this over again a couple of times and was reminded of the insights of near death experiencer Mellen Benedict. He seemed to come away with the impression that the more fundamental energy intelligence that is guiding us…… doesn't seem overly interested in proving its existence to us humans……. (as a separate and superior life form to us)…….. .but seems to want us humans to realize that our Creator is in contact with us….. .and can guide us and work and speak through us at a much higher level????????

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html#a05
     
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    AboveAlpha…… you are onto something huge here!

    We humans are all insecure and suffer from some type of inferiority complex, (to at least some degree).

    The very fact that the ultimate Creator is so different from us……… in that The Creator isn't that concerned with proving Itself/ Himself/ Herself to us…… implies a lack of the insecurity and inferiority that we humans have……. which……… would imply a Creator who thinks at a much higher level than we do??!

    In the movie "Bruce Almighty"… what did Jim Carrey do with Godlike powers…… as soon as he got them? He immediately went out and proved himself…… to some people whose disbelief in him had annoyed him.

    The Creator….. by engaging in this type of activity so rarely………. must be thinking and feeling at a higher level than we humans tend to do?!
     
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    I like this take, it's similar to my experience and view.

    What would it take for god to prove itself, depends on how you define god. The angry guy in the sky, I sure hope he doesn't exist, the old testament god sounds like a real ********. I guess he'd have to show himself and shove a lightning bolt up my arse or something when I called him an ********.
     
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    If a man who was mentally ill saw god, or a drug addict saw god high on something good saw god or such would it be evidence? No. A person dying all those neurons going off oddly and drug going in to ease that and prevent death you accept it then its evidence? Yes but its the same as the previous two examples. The same.

    You want to prove god get a basic book on the scientific method and follow it proving god in some acceptable way OR this being or beings can reveal themselves and demonstrate they are god(s) and not advanced aliens but divine beings then tell me what they want me to do in plain language to please them. That should be pretty simple.

    Is this god? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz508DAx68U

    Or this god? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvVP740Pt3Y

    Seriously any god or goddess or pantheon would likely be just an advanced species not truly deities. An example if I got geared up with modern weapons, a tank and medical supplies with enough training I would likely of I wet back to the Stone Age would be seen as god and I'm hardly that but I'd have my lighting stick, magic that heals the dying and an iron dragon (vehicle).
     
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    Yes, you can also include me. This is what seems to me to be the Truth. Some men have created these other images of god that are so horrible, so flawed, so human-like. But we have to realize that the brain can create all sorts of images, and then start to believing in the image that they created. This has happened time and time again in our history. But I think the actual Creator is only sensed as a mystical experience, in another state of consciousness, that is not ordinary consciousness, which is needed to simply survive as our species. That some will scoff at other states of consciousness, knowing what we know today, is rather ludicrous, IMO. These other states of consciousness are IMO of another dimension entirely, as other dimensions exist, not sensed by ordinary ego consciousness, yet they are accessable. The ancients accessed them, and anyone can access them. But even then, what is sensed is just not expressible in words, yet of course man has tried to express them, and this can be confusing, unless one has experienced those dimensions personally. It's like trying to express to someone what a food tastes like that has never seen or experienced the taste. Words will never convey that taste, and the only way to know is to experience that taste for yourself.
     
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    Yes, and I owe an apology to AA. Being new here, and not having read many of his posts, I thought he was just a hyper egocentric being, and that was my discernment.

    So, if he reads this, I hope he will accept this apology, for I have wiped my opinion slate clean of my earlier impressions. Not that I will agree with all of what he says, but he seems to be an OK Joe to me, to use a metaphor.
     
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    This sounds like something you are desperately hoping is true because if you are wrong you know what the consequences are.

    Those of us who truthfully follow God see proof of his existence in our lives all the time. Once you let him take over and guide you then you will be amazed at some of the things he does.
     
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    No, it is simply a much more intelligent view. The Creator that seems more possible to me, also affects our lives, but he doesn't send me off to kill people who do not think as I do. As your god had a habit of doing. That is why I say man has created some horrible images of god. To perhaps, justify their own evil actions. This is so common in Judaism, Christianity and certainly Islam. Of course Judaism and Christianity moved past that in large part, which is good, yet their image of god is still an angry, petulant child, who will boil your balls in oil for eternity, after your one chance here on earth to obey him. I find that sort of image, created by the brain of man, to be outdated, and utterly false. My opinion.
     
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    Its funny that you think human intelligence can comprehend what God is, as if you are on the same level as Him or something.

    That is where you are making the mistake.

    It would be like a bacteria cell sitting on a slide and trying to figure out what that big eyeball in the microscope is thinking.

    You will never understand God by trying to apply academia to the issue. You, all of us actually, simply do not have that level of intelligence and you look foolish for even trying.
     
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    The tread title has nothing to do with the poll.

    There is nothing anything or anyone could do that would convince me that god is real.
     
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    Some are going to go to Hell and suffer for eternity.

    I hope you like your future home.

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    Sure.:roll:
     
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    What God do you follow ?
     
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    Why?

    Do you want me to say a prayer for you or something?
     
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    I hope you can sleep well at night knowing you worship a monster that is worse than Hitler.
     
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    But you try and convince us you understand what God has planned for everyone but those like you?
     
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    One would hope you are kidding and not in some way stating that Dante created hell. If by chance you are, it is extremely clear the "God" you are claiming to worship is little more than a man.
     
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    Even if that were true, and it isn't, you may have your pride intact while you are being tortured constantly day and night and I suppose I will have to live with my shame as I am sitting on the pristine beach somewhere in Heaven.

    I think I can get over it, can you?

    - - - Updated - - -

    Naw, it was just the coolest picture of Hell I could find during a quick search.

    Has nothing to do with Dante.
     
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    You were the one who said:
    I was wanting to you back up your claim and provide some proof of the existence of this God you worship be it Zeus, Ishtar or Enlil/El - aka Chief God of the Pantheon of Abraham.
     
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    Truth is the only entity which could present itself to Abovealpha which could prove itself his god.
    When he understands this, Truth will become his Jesus Christ and the light into the world thereafter.
     
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    Human intelligence can comprehend things which are True.

    Truth adds up.
    It begins to describe Reality, a little better and better the longer we collect more and more Truth.
     
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    But Truth told men to become martyrs, not take lives.

    Truth did conquer all the Roman World.
    And Truth has improved our lives in this Age.

    Truth saves us, while the Reality is that we all die,... sooner or later.
     
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    There's a story in The Bible of one of the prophets demonstrating the power of God. I think the people in the area were worshiping Baal. At any rate, they had made a statue of their god and were worshiping the statue. The prophet then said that they should set up two different fire pits in order to burn the sacrifice to each god, one for Baal and one for God. Then the prophet said that each would call on their god to ignite the fire for them. The god that would be able to set the wood on fire would then be considered the true god. Of course, Baal was unable to light the wood on fire while God sent lightning from the heavens and started a fire even though the wood was doused with water.

    According to The Bible, God doesn't seem to mind proving himself. God doesn't seem to mind giving demonstrations of his power.

    So why doesn't he do it for us?

    We're told that we have to prove ourselves to God or he won't give us eternal life. We're told that we have to prove we worship him and follow whatever his church decides or we will suffer for eternity instead of living in an eternal paradise.

    If we are supposed to prove ourselves to God then what is wrong with asking God to prove himself to us? Am I really supposed to alter my life and live by the teachings of the church just because there is a book that says God was really awesome thousands of years ago?

    If God was really awesome thousands of years ago then he should be content with the worship of people who lived thousands of years ago. All I see is a god who needs the government to enforce his wishes. I do not see a god that shows any signs of power whatsoever.

    Why should I alter my life to suit a god that won't even show me he exists?
     
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    I can actually stand by my principles. You are no better than a loyal follower of a dictator who dares not question his master's evil because you fear torture.
     
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