Seriously -- this is how Democrats can win it all in 2020 -- written by a Conservative!

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  1. Pollycy

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    Since the first of the year, 2019, President Trump has made it alarmingly clear that he is a proponent of the reckless, easy-money policies that pumped up the stock market right after the Great Recession -- but they are no longer needed or wanted in today's economy -- except by the casino gamblers on Wall Street! This is what I've been alluding to for several days, @Derideo_Te . Please, do read this all the way to the bottom....

    By constantly carping about the need for the Fed to make drastic cuts in interest rates, he shows that short-term gains for stock markets are all that are important to him, while at the same time he's piling even more scorn, abuse, disregard, and contempt on people who have actually used prudent, conservative, common-sense in their lives by SAVING money 'for a rainy day' and their retirement, instead of squandering it on overvalued, speculative stock market fantasies!

    Trump is back at it again today -- asking who the greater "enemy" is -- the leadership of China, or the Chairman of the Federal Reserve System! This casts Trump in the role of 'cheerleader' of the big "fraud balloon" concept -- and baldly advocates more 'free-and-easy' money to keep more churn, and more 'hot air' in the fraud balloon. This is NO way to guide the economy! Link: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...y-fed-chair-powell-or-chinas-xi-idUSKCN1VD1QI

    As a fair-mined CONSERVATIVE, I've defended Trump consistently every step of the way in spite of angry, almost rabid behavior on the part of radical Democrats -- but crushing interest rates at THIS time is flat-out WRONG!

    So, how does this give anything to Democrats? Simple. Instead of focusing on how many carbon dioxide molecules there are in the air (not many, actually), they should point out what every Baby Boomer Generation person knows all too well -- people who have maintained savings accounts through the years have been SCREWED TO DEATH FOR THE PAST ELEVEN YEARS, and that Trump just wants to keep this screwing going, and make it even worse!

    There are over 75,000,000 Baby Boomers (like me), and two things are always observed about us -- we were relatively well-educated, and WE VOTE! Democrats should propose large increases in Social Security for people who have EARNED it by working for this benefit all their lives!

    Cost-of-living increases in Social Security have been microscopic, when there have even been any at all! And yet, year after year, we've seen the big-rich get tax breaks, even as they get to enjoy all the fun features of a U. S. Tax Code that heavily favors the wealthy with loopholes, shelters, and many write-offs.

    If Democrats had enough sense to woo and WIN the Baby Boomer vote by bringing FAIRNESS up as an economic issue, instead of always harping on 'racism', 'white privilege', etc., they'd win every 2020 race they enter in a landslide!
     
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    Thanks for the mention, Cy! :)

    We agree on principle on all the main points of your OP with just a few minor quibbles about the data.

    Boomers are declining by an average of 1.7 million a year since 2016 and are going to be closer to the 70 million mark by 2020. That is still a significant voting bloc and a highly motivated one given that so many of them are becoming senior citizens like you and I now.

    So yes, that makes Social Security a MAJOR ISSUE for 2020 and even more so since the BLOTUS's Tariff War is RAISING the cost of living on every day consumables.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/13/how-much-money-trumps-china-tariffs-could-cost-you.html

    You are correct that the COL increases for Social Security have been meager when they were handed out and with the INCREASED COSTS they will SHRINK the buying power of retirees and deplete their savings at a much higher rate than anticipated. This is a SERIOUS dilemma for Boomers including those still working because they are going to come up short too.

    I am going to provide you some quotes with the name replaced by {X} so that you read them without any preconceived bias. While doing so ask yourself if these are the ideas you might support in 2020.


    Does that sound like what you are looking for in a candidate? I recommend that you read the entire article in the 2nd link below.

    I also know that you hate {X} with a passion but if any of the above struck a chord then you owe it to yourself to give {x} a serious second look. Even you do not change your mind at least you will know that there is at least one Dem candidate who is aligned with what you want in 2020.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/07/eli...icy-issues-in-the-2020-presidential-race.html

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...-a-radical-plan-to-beat-trump-at-his-own-game

    https://www.fool.com/retirement/2019/01/18/heres-how-presidential-hopeful-elizabeth-warren-wo.aspx
     
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    Warren is a serious, intelligent person who would make a far better potus than trump.
     
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    Sadly I won't work with out massive support from the remainder of the budget. There aren't enough people paying into the system, even if you remove the cap leftist have been complaining of for years you won't raise enough money to significantly raise the payouts even with the decline and don't forget an old boomer is mid eighties that means he's being replace on the retirement rolls by his children almost as rapidly as he shuffles off this mortal coil. That Demographic time bomb is real and nothing in Warren's proposal does anything to fix it. The real problem of course is that the underlying premise of SS has literally been blown to hell by modern medical science. And no one has the political will to actually fix it largely because of demagogues like warren The problem with SS is that it originally mandated a retirement age of 65. That was the average life expectancy at the the and the vast majority were dead by 70. We have moved the retirement age to nearly seventy and will likely be pushed to 71 or 72 in the near future. Trouble is the average is now closer to 80 and a hell of a lot more people than ever before are living well into there 90's. The system is broke and nothing warren offers is going to fix that and much of what she talks of will exacerbate the problem and greatly advance the rate of collapse.
     
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    I have to applaud your honesty and your insight

    Trump has divided America into critics and defenders. It is refreshing to read something that is an honest opinion

    Bravo!
     
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    By about ten thousand kilometres.
     
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    So in your opinion the easiest way to win is to pander to baby boomers instead blacks and Latinos and the LGBT crowd? Sorry but corrupt short sighted and stupid is still corrupt short sighted and stupid no matter who it benefits in the short term. By the way us boomers are far and away the richest age group in American.

    By the way if the Dems really want to win, they could start by running to be president of the entire US instead of California.
     
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    What I like about her is that she from a humble background and worked her way all the up to becoming a Senator.

    Then she was offered the choice of being a Washington INSIDER or OUTSIDER and she knowingly chose to be an outsider.

    She is on the side if We the People and against the Establishment and the Wall Street Casino Bosses.

    If she does become the Dem nominee she will be facing attacks from all sides however she appears to relish the task of taking them on and facing down the BLOTUS eye to eye.

    She will a firebrand and a champion of We the People.

    Let us hope that We the People give her that opportunity.
     
  10. Pollycy

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    I'm not suggesting that Trump 'pander' to anybody, Gary... but I am simply stating that people who have EARNED their Social Security benefit have been subjected to a recurring, deep SCREWING, beginning actually in August 2007, when the Fed began slashing interest rates (during the time of "W" Bush). I hate and loathe this 'central bank', but the cuts were (gag!) necessary in the overall context of the way the Fed has worked for over 100 years. OK -- DONE! The Fed 'bought' massive amounts of toxic, corporate TRASH in order to support those it considered "too-big-to-fail", to support the stock market, and, to a degree, to support the overall economy. OK -- DONE!
    The Fed foisted three rounds of "Quantitative Easing" -- and -- "Operation Twist" on us while keeping interest rates crushed -- even though there had been a consistent, enormous demand for CASH all during the Great Recession and beyond. And who were the only ones who suffered, year-in and year-out? People who had responsibly saved money for their retirement! Meanwhile, the stock market gamblers were riding merrily along on the Fed's big "fraud balloon", chasing stock prices into the clouds in what became a frenzy of OVERVALUATION... OK -- DONE! And that's where we still are today! And that is what Trump is aggressively advocating STILL!

    And who carried all this 'merry-making' fun on their backs? The only responsible people with any common sense -- people who practiced the time-honored concept of SAVING MONEY FOR FUTURE NEEDS, instead of blowing it all on speculation and get-rich-quick schemes in the stock market!

    Cut to the situation -- right now! Trump has built his edifice of prosperity by demanding the continuation of near-ZERO interest rates, so that the speculation binge in the stock market will continue. No wonder that he's been so loudly critical of the Fed as it has tried to raise interest rates to insure solid, real growth in the economy while 'soaking up the pudge' in this central bank's BALANCE SHEET when it bought all the corporate bonds and other overpriced trash! But, as before, we can't get in a time machine and prevent any of this from happening. All we can do now is try to correct the royal SCREWING that people with savings accounts -- and particularly, retired people on Social Security have been getting ever since August 2007 -- Exactly twelve long, miserable years!

    The best way is to increase Social Security for ALL recipients with large, off-setting, permanent cost-of-living increases right now -- and that is only FAIR, because all during the years when the stock market skyrocketed, people on SS got very, very little or NOTHING in cost-of-living increases -- even though the prices of things that people actually have to BUY, in order to LIVE, have increased substantially, in spite of the fact that those things aren't included in what's 'considered' to be officially part of "inflation"!

    There may be 'only' 70,000,000 Boomers left -- as @Derideo_Te states, but you can bet on this -- we know we've been screwed! And we are well-educated enough to see what Trump's trying to do by having the Fed crush interest rates even more than it already has during the past 12 years! So -- show me a candidate (Republican, Democrat, Whatever) who will take a strong stand in correcting this situation for people on Social Security, and I'll show you the next President of the United States!

    If nothing else, remember this: BABY BOOMERS VOTE! And, we're not stupid....
     
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    Yes and we boomers are by far the wealthiest Demographic in America. And it is largely investments in the stock market through 401k's that made that happen. And yes interest rates have been at historical lows for more than a decade now and that has had a huge impact on standard savings instruments like passbook savings accounts and CDs where in the rate of return doesn't even keep up with the small rates of inflation currently extant unless you are talking really large chunks of change. Pandering is still pandering and buying votes with other people's money is still buying votes with other peoples money. And it is still pernicious and corrupt.
     
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    Well, Gary, 'what is pandering to one man is merely JUSTICE to another'! The Wall Street casino-gamblers, and the stock market 'boiler-room boys' have had their big fun with virtually free money and the speculation that this variety of "pernicious and corrupt" behavior has bred to dangerously overvalue the stock market for twelve long years. Would you consider it unfair for the 'playing field' could be made just a little bit more level for those who have been SCREWED UNMERCIFULLY all this time on increases in Social Security? Why should it be all ONE way, in favor of stock market gamblers...?!

    Mark my words -- at some point, one of these dimwitted 'social-justice warrior' candidates among the radical Democrat Left is going to wake up and realize that continuing to scream "RACISTS!" at every White person isn't going to get them elected! No... the TONNAGE of votes will come from retired/retiring Baby Boomers when this one smart Democrat candidate promises to reintroduce fairness through increased benefits to those on Social Security, whose savings have been left to rot in the DITCH because of grossly low interest rates all this time! Remember -- all it takes is just ONE of them....

    I could add that if Trump had any sense, he'd be the one to suggest giving large, long-overdue increases in SS benefits, but instead, he's off on the tangent of even more 'free money' for speculators, and that's just more of the same long-term unfairness! (Shocker -- I voted for Trump, enthusiastically, in 2016!)
     
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    1st the two thing aren't connected in any way shape or form.

    2nd driving inflation rates by shoving more money wholly unconnected to productivity into the economy isn't going to help anyone
     
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    Gary, what has happened every single time the Fed has indicated that it would raise interest rates by even a microscopic, piss-ant QUARTER OF A BASIS POINT? The almighty-god stock market goes into a swoon, faints, and craps in its pants! Why? Because since August 2007, everything has changed. Now, the only way that Wall Street can work its 'magic tricks' (and float its little 'fraud balloon') is with near zero-interest cheap money!

    Stock market casino gamblers have rolled in the riches like a tidal wave! People who have taken a conservative, prudent attitude toward this whole overvalued CARNIVAL approach to the economy have gotten SCREWED TO DEATH.

    All it takes now is for one (ONE) Democrat candidate to pull his/her head out of his/her ass and call this travesty out for what it really is, promise to do what's RIGHT for the economy, normalize interest rates, and compensate Social Security beneficiaries for the royal screwing they've taken for twelve years, and guess what? Trump's going to be OUT! Baby Boomers are old, Gary -- but they're not STOOPID! By demanding near-zero interest rates, Trump has finally shown us, sadly, that all he stands for is more of the same -- a 'fraud balloon' economy manipulated by cheap money and massive, growing DEBT!
     
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    She’s angry, bitter, and far outside the mainstream of American political thought.

    She’s George McGovern on steroids.
     
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    Which again doesn't have a damn thing to do with your or my social security check. Debt has been increasing for the last 80 years.
     
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    I suspect that you have lived a frugal life, invested conservatively and in a healthy interest rate environment would be doing well, unfortunately, the world is still fighting deflation, which caught the Fed on the wrong foot, they thought the greatest threat was inflation and with their 8 hikes in two years, the pooch appears a little savaged.

    Our currency floats against those of our trading partner, if they are deflation, and our currency is comparatively overvalued, we suck in their goods, their bond purchases and import their deflation into our economy.

    [​IMG]

    Just like when you are controlling a skid, you do better turning into it, than out of it.

    Part of why our yields are going down (bonds are appreciating) is because most of the world's government debt is negative, that is, if you buy their paper, you pay them to borrow your money, rather than the other way around. Now I know you hate where we are at, but if you hate low rates, you would just loath negative rates, and that's what Trump is fighting, and as usual, seemingly alone. Check this out: Exponential growth, rising rapidly record $16.4 trillion debt "paying" out NEGATIVE rates.

    [​IMG]

    Look in Sept 2018, beautiful trend, negative debt instruments were unwinding and what did our rock headed Fed do? Their effective Fed Funds rate was at 1.95% and they continued to raise. Up to 2.19 and then 2.40 and global negative rates went parabolic.

    [​IMG]

    Global Bond Investors are fleeing their countries for Safety and Yield and piling into our bonds. As all this money flows toward us, our yields head for the floor.

    [​IMG]

    Look at that, Germany, Netherlands, Finland and Sweden are offering NO positive yield bonds. The only place to get a better deal on a long note is Italy, and no thank you.

    Negative interest rates really screw up an economy, they are terrible for banks for the long term and the real economy that relies on banks to provide the financial infrastructure so that the economy can function.

    Banks need to make money with their primary business. The profit motive needs to make them aggressive on lending, and the fear of loss needs to make them prudent. Those two forces are supposed to balance each other out over time, with banks swinging too far in one direction and then too far in the other direction as part of the normal business cycle.

    And this generally works, with some hiccups, as long as banks can do this profitably – meaning they make enough money and set aside enough capital during good times to be able to eat the losses during bad times without collapsing.

    If interest rates go negative, the spread the bank needs in order to make a profit gets thinner, but risks get larger because prices of the assets used as collateral have been inflated by these low interest rates. At first this is OK, but over a longer period, this equation runs into serious trouble.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-21/how-negative-interest-rates-screw-economy

    So, your paddling against the current, but the current is being created by a big waterfall, last year we had all the necessary momentum to overcome it, and we still have more than anyone else, and Trump is by no means out of tools or determination.
     
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    Social Security is the primary source of retirement income for American citizens, Gary. Millions of Americans were essentially wiped out in the Great Recession, and all many of them had left was whatever was in their savings accounts. And these millions of people are now in the jaws of an enormous SQUEEZE, which nobody in government takes the slightest notice of!

    Not everybody had large pensions, generous civil-service retirement guarantees, investment portfolios, etc. In fact, a lot of Americans who were already approaching retirement age lost their good jobs in the Great Recession and its aftermath, and were never able to get a decent job afterward (hint: whether it's against the law or not, 'age-discrimination' in the U. S. is practiced everywhere, by everyone).

    So, we've got a very large segment of ~70,000,000 Baby Boomers who derive nearly all of their income from Social Security and whatever they've got in a savings certificate. And look at these pathetic cost-of-living increases, when there have been any at all:

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    Meanwhile, the interest payments on their CD's has been crushed by the Fed in order to prop up the stock market, and that effort has been spectacularly successful! Cynically, the 'methodology' that is used to keep the cost-of-living increases and the interest rates microscopic is that inflation AS "OFFICIALLY" MEASURED, is very, very low.... Uh-huh. Sure... the price of houses and cars, along with apartment rentals and leases -- and nearly everything you'll find in a grocery and hardware store has gone down -- right...?! :roflol: . But, as we have seen for years, they are very SELECTIVE about what they 'measure' for inflation....

    But my main point is this, Gary -- whether you like what I've pointed out or not, at some point, some enterprising, smart Democrat campaign aide is going to realize that all this 'racism, global warming, political-correctness' horseshit that the Left has been trying to stoke into a big fire has gotten traction with nobody but the same libs who were 'signed onto' these fables to begin with! Instead, this smart Democrat analyst is going to focus on millions and millions of Baby Boomers who have been getting totally SCREWED on Social Security cost-of-living increases ever since the Great Recession which wiped so many of them out -- at the same time that Wall Street gamblers raked in millions upon millions of dollars, thanks to the government, and to the Federal Reserve System!

    You can be irritated with me, "the messenger", even though we have typically been in the 'same camp' for a long time. But I doubt that you can make a dent in "the message". To the winner goes the spoils, and I repeat what I said in the OP -- the first Democrat candidate who focuses on Baby Boomers and the royal screwing that people on Social Security have been getting is going to become the next President of the United States! Hint: we Boomers are by nature mostly Conservative, but like anybody else, we're primarily concerned with our own financial well-being! Trump's attitude toward interest rates that prop up the stock market, coupled with complete neglect of appropriate cost-of-living increases in Social Security is going to be his downfall -- not idiotic Democrat bluster about 'Russia collusion'....
     
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    Thank you, Zorro, for your very well thought-out, considerate, and factual reply. You know I have great respect for your financial acumen, based on your posts. I do not dispute what you have presented; rather, I'm pointing out that the great injustice caused by both presidential AND Federal Reserve 'pandering' to Wall Street is creating an enormous deal-changer -- and all some intelligent Democrat strategist has to do is put down the 'racism, global-warming, political-correctness' crack pipe for a few minutes and then SEE the vast voter potential that is right out there in the country, BY THE MILLIONS!

    Nevertheless, you are surely correct when you point out, "Our currency floats against those of our trading partner, if they are deflation, and our currency is comparatively overvalued, we suck in their goods, their bond purchases and import their deflation into our economy.
    But to most Americans, what this REALLY looks like is:
    1. Our economy is breezing along, mostly because Trump has been getting more and more of the government bureaucracy off of businesspeople's backs -- and because of Trump's big tax cuts!
    2. Other countries are in trouble because they're pathetically over-socialistic, and because their central banks never even tried to take off "the training-wheels" after the Great Recession. They've lived in an artifical banker's world of stimulus, stimulus, STIMULUS über alles, and now they're in an 'infinite do-loop' -- barely treading water in their wholly corrupt environments. Too bad... so sad... but it shouldn't be "any skin off OUR ass".... A strong U. S. Dollar was great for America from the end of WWII through the fall of the Soviet Union -- we get more of their 'stuff' and we pay less for it! What's wrong with that?!
    3. DEFLATION IS GOOD! Hey, whose heart is going to be broken if house prices come back down to reality? Who is going to weep if car prices do the same? Who will complain if rents and leases come back down from the stratosphere? How about the prices of hundreds of other things that people actually BUY on a day-in, day-out basis...? On and on and on.... Consider: working Americans haven't had any real increase in their wages, but prices of nearly everything they actually buy have surged upwards -- so, are they going to bellyache if suddenly they can begin to AFFORD to buy things again without going into labyrinthine depths of debt?!
    4. Any way you look at it, people on Social Security (i.e., more and more, Baby Boomers) have gotten the short end of a very shitty stick! Everything has been done to boost the fortunes of stock market gamblers by the government and the Fed -- so -- who now will do something MEASUREABLY SIGNIFICANT for peoples' EARNED Social Security benefit?!

    We may have gone so far down the path to internationalization of everything that we are joined, inseparably, to the misfortunes of every other country's stupidity and corruption, as you suggest. Nevertheless, there's no reason WHY, at this point, that interest rates should be cut in THIS country... not yet! And Social Security cost-of-living increases should be a top priority right now -- especially given that Trump is taking the tactic of more of these interest rate cuts, which are music to Wall Street's ears, but just more of the same old bullshit to nearly everyone else....

    Back to my main OP point -- how long is it going to be before the Democrats pull their heads out of their butts and take advantage of this enormous 'low-hanging-fruit' opportunity? If even half of the retirees in this country on Social Security in this country vote for a Democrat candidate, Trump will lose in a landslide comparable to the staggering defeat that Jimmuh Cawduh suffered in 1980!
     
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    Why can't a Republican step up to this plate, Cy?

    Let's take someone like Rep Pete King of NY. He is allegedly challenging the BLOTUS in the 2020 GOP primaries so why shouldn't be carry this message to the electorate?

    Why are you relying ENTIRELY on the Dems to sort out this issue that affects EVERYONE from all across the political spectrum?

    Wouldn't it make more sense to defeat the BLOTUS in the Primaries and then have TWO CHANCES of electing someone who could fix this problem?
     
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    LOL, any of the dems up to bat want to destroy the country with more spending than anything the left is currently complaining about Trump.
     
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    negative interest rates will boom the economy until 2020, that's all the time we need to help the President get re-elected.

    after that when it crashes, the next President can pick up the pieces.

    by then Americans will support bigger tariffs and an even huger wall, do not betray the cause.
     
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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! Say that with a straight face!
     
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    The only reply I can offer is that it is highly unusual for any political party to throw out a previously-victorious incumbent. Whether for better or worse, short-term or long-term, the 'power of the president' is immense... and right now, Trump's got it! My personal favorite in 2016, as I have said dozens of times, was former Texas Governor, Rick Perry -- who's now the Energy Secretary in the Trump Admn. Rick's not going to challenge him... and I don't see anybody else challenging him, either.

    What I don't understand is why no DEMOCRAT is seizing the opportunity to propose large increases to compensate Social Security recipients for the total SCREWING they've had for at least TEN LONG YEARS! You think the solution should be for some Republican to launch a 'palace coup' against Trump...? Wouldn't it make a hell of a lot more sense for some bright, young, intelligent DEMOCRAT to do this...? Hell, Te, if the potential of disaffected people on Social Security has occurred to ME, a Conservative, why on earth wouldn't it have already occurred to some DEMOCRAT with a triple-digit IQ...?!

    Imagine what the reaction might be if Joe Biden held a press conference tomorrow and said, "Hey, everybody... I may not know where I am, who's the prime minister of Britain, or even what year it is, but if I'm elected, I'll immediately increase Social Security benefits by 10%, and by at least 5% each year afterwards for five years to make up for the SCREWING these people have had since 2009!" At that point, the election is all over except for the process of going-through-the-motions....

    [​IMG]. "FINALLY! I NAILED IT!" :cheerleader:
     
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  25. jack4freedom

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    I agree with your assessment regarding these economic issues. However anyone who proposed what you are suggesting will be falsely accused of being a crazy socialist who wants to redistribute wealth from those who are creating wealth to lazy stiffs who want more “free stuff”.

    If you listen to candidates like Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders they are proposing what you have in your post, which is to make the financial system in our country work more for the workers who create the wealth and those have paid all their lives into the system.

    It seems to me that these phony CONservatives and their huge media empire (Fox, AM Radio, Think tanks and their websites) are in the bag for international bank swindlers and tax dodging corporations who scheme to make sure that the bulk of the tax burden is left squarely on the backs of working Americans and small business owners. Meanwhile they also scheme to try to get their theiving hands on social security, pension funds etc. and paint those who have paid into those systems as free loaders.

    I really don’t give a damn about abortion, gay marriage, transsexual bathrooms, or any of the phony issues that have been used to divide and conquer by those who are pilfering the wealth day by day. I am in favor of immigration reform, gun rights, border security and freedom in general. I am for ending the idiotic failure of a war on drugs. I am in favor of abolishing the Federal Reserve and the criminal IRS or at least getting them both under control.

    Cheers
     
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