Seriously, what is wrong with Christians?

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  1. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

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    The laws and rituals invented by the Levites were NOT the laws of God or Moses
     
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    In that case Jesus wouldn't have died a sacrificial death for us.

    It was a great sacrifice to leave heaven and live like us for 33 years, and die an excruciating death on the cross. Kind of like if Queen Elizabeth died for an ant.

    It was common knowledge before that. As the eyewitnesses got older it was thought wise to record the events.

    Luke 1:1 Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled[a] among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.
     
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    What 'game' is that, debating?

    No, but then I don't think they are guided by the Holy Spirit.

    The losers are legally punished.
     
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    You would agree they were being sold as such though, right?
     
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    If you are alleging what Paul said did not happen and he had other motives, it is up to you to show what they were, with evidence. Maybe a letter to someone where he says, "Today we make up the story about the vision" or something. What did Paul gain from an earthly perspective?

    From I Cor. 11: I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again. 24 Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. 25 Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was pelted with stones, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, 26 I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my fellow Jews, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false believers. 27 I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked.

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    What were they then?
     
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    True.. but even Deuteronomy was invented and read in the Temple.. I can't recall the date, but it was late.

    The laws and rituals were to preserve identity.. keep them separate from the others .. and took on special meaning after the Babylonian exile.

    Jewish men were instructed to rid themselves of foreign wives and abandon their children.. Many wouldn't .. which jumpstarted the first Diaspora.

    You can find it in scripture.
     
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    Where He does not promote anti-Semitism, making your point moot.

    Pretty much what you said. If you didn't mean that, OK, I'll just remain confused about your statement. :wink:
     
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    YOU called it a game
    You can believe they were inspired if you like. You just can't support that faith assertion. If you read about what happened there it sure seems like a very human power struggle.
    I asked you if the dissenting judges are excommunicated. You answered a question I didn't ask. Dishonest or poor reading skills? There is no third choice.
     
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    And the citation has been refuted.

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    Early morning poor reading skills. Right, the dissenting judges aren't excommunicated, although a judge can be impeached.
     
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    They were to preserve Jewish identity........
     
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    Closed ~ Surpassed post capacity.
     
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