Shills and Government Agents in conspiracy culture

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  1. l4zarus

    l4zarus Member

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    Unsurprising to anyone the subject of "shills" working together in the 9/11 conspiracy subforum has resurfaced. The fact is there are "shills", even "government shills", but they don't operate anything like most CTs think they do.

    From Wikipedia(aka Zionist Disinfo central):
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill

    A shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps or gives credibility to a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization. Shills can carry out their operations in the areas of media, journalism, marketing, politics, confidence games, or other business areas. A shill may also act to discredit opponents or critics of the person or organization in which they have a vested interest through character assassination or other means.
    Now one can see that a "shill" is a subspecies of conman. They knowingly operate deceptively to exploit people. And their activities can be illegal and actionable "in many circumstances and in many jurisdictions[1] because of the potential for fraud and damage", however, in the unlikely event of "creating buzz" on the Internet, "the shill's actions may be legal".

    The distinction, in conspiracy circles, is the difference between saying "9/11 is an Inside job", however obnoxiously, and claiming X person is responsibly for 9/11 and targeting them for harassment a la the Sandy Hook survivors (Larry Silverstein, The "Harley Guy").

    So far there has been little to no evidence of anyone or agency "shilling" to suppress truther theories. In fact the opposite is true. Truthers, early on, were invited on news media and given interviews and had ample opportunity to present credible evidence if any existed. It was only when it was clear there was nothing there, media organizations moved on.

    But lets say, theoretically, the government was trying to suppress the "truth" it had murdered 3,000 US citizens on 9/11 and was trying to cover it up. And people were exposing that "truth" in the Internet. Would shilling on public forums even be a thing?

    CT thinking appears to be:
    Public posts on forums expose truth
    >government afraid of legal action
    > sends shills to forum to muddy waters
    >truth suppressed or diluted
    >people disengage


    What is really happening:
    Public posts on forums spreading conspiracies
    >government, by and large, unaware and doing nothing
    >conspiracies continue to spread until covered by media
    >people see media coverage and refuse to engage
    >some truther see media coverage, rethink and disengage
    >drop in popularity of "trutherism" leads remaining truthers to believe they are targets of government shills.


    There were never any government shills, people.

    Think about it logically: if a public forum was a threat to "exposing the truth", the government has plenty of tools to shut down problematic websites without going to the expense of hiring people to post crap online by the hour. One simple credible looking pretext and POOF! There goes ae911truth.org. Or 911truth.org. Or Rense. or Infowars. And it would have happened years ago, within months if not weeks. (OTOH 911blogger.com is down. Coincidence or conspiracy?)


    But paranoia about shills does serve one purpose: it keeps people stuck in CT thought processes from questioning the obvious inconsistencies in conspiracies. In the case of 9/11 conspiracies, it's going on 20 years and there is no evidence of a conspiracy.

    One either has to accept they were played by conspiracy grifters and there never was "a there there" or explain their cognitive dissonance with a comforting idea of "shills".
     
  2. Shinebox

    Shinebox Well-Known Member

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    great thread ... I have been labeled a shill and a paid disinfo agent many times here ...
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    How might one describe the OCT faithful? Those who still believe the official narrative 17 years later? Rapunzel, living in her Ivory Tower away from the world?
     
  4. Scott

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    I'll link to the post so that everything is clear.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...wtc-conclusions.551799/page-5#post-1070316843
    (post #95 on page #5 of the thread entitled "Thoughtless WTC Conclusions")


    From a truther's perspective a shill is someone who knows 9/11 was an inside job but is paid to obfuscate the proof of that by the people who planned and carried it out. A shill is a paid sophist who doesn't even believe his own arguments.

    The same is true of other conspiracies. Example: http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/american-imperialism.371897/
     
  5. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    So anyone who doesn't share your particular view of what happened is a paid shill? Like supporters of the "OCT", no planers, nukes, energy weapons...

    All paid shills?
     
  6. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    What about those who believe that beam weapons were used to bring down the buildings?
     
  7. Scott

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    Some of them are experiencing cognitive dissonance and are in denial which really means believing one thing and saying another.

    Scientific View - Why you can't believe the truth about 9/11 - Because your scared of the Truth


    Some others are suffering from invincible ignorance.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invincible_ignorance_fallacy
     
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  8. Scott

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    So when someone doesn't share the same views as you regarding what happened on 9/11, they fall into two camps?

    1. Paid shill
    2. Experiencing cognitive dissonance

    Is that correct Scott?
     
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    yasureoktoo Banned

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    I got that too.

    Where do we get our paychecks.
     
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    Well a little more background on this, Scott was selling this:

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    a lense smudge to be a 757 that struck wtc 1 in my Thoughtless Conclusions Thread, http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/thoughtless-wtc-conclusions.551799/ despite the fact we can see little birdies flying around flapping their wings:

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    and of course he pointed out:

    "I've made my opinion clear on truthers who support the no-plane theory before."

    I have made it perfectly clear about the no Elvis theory too.

    That is the point Scott made his post about shills to deflect attention from the disinfo in his post where he claimed that smudge is a 757 hitting the tower when everyone can clearly see its Elvis.

    There have been countless people claiming to be truthers that say the stoopidist **** to discredit those who demand truth from our criminal kleptocracy.

    It goes without saying that if we can see the little birdies then we should also be able to see the pearl inlay on Elvis's guitar.

    Will the real shill(s) please stand up
     
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    yasureoktoo Banned

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    get serious, it's a frogging picture.
    Anyone can put in, or take out, anything they like.
    And your troofer people have been busted doing that countless times.
     
  13. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    News to me?
     
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    yasureoktoo Banned

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    Why do I not doubt that.
     
  15. Scott

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    You're being simplistic. The proof that 9/11 was an inside job is crushing. These people are serious researchers.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...orted-9-11-terrorists.456423/#post-1066183060

    They don't even talk about the no-plane theory, or the nuke theory, or the energy beam theory.


    Only plants who probably work for public-relations agencies hired by the government take those stands; they're trying to make truthers look silly. Lately people who openly say they believe the earth is flat are also saying they're 9/11 truthers. They're trying to discredit the truth movement.

    There are differences in opinions among real truthers such as whether or not a big airliner hit the Pentagon but no real truther believes in the no-plane theory or the nuke theory or the energy beam theory.

    The non-shills who ignore the proof that explosives made the towers and building seven fall are people experiencing cognitive disonnance* and/or invincible ignorance. You can read about it here.
    http://www1.ae911truth.org/faqs/821-why-do-good-people-become-silentor-worseabout-911-.html

    The rest of them are shills who know 9/11 was an inside job as well as the truthers do.



    *
    https://www.google.com/search?sourc........0....1..gws-wiz.....0..0i131.LxQeJJcZl38
     
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    Like the "crushing" proof YOU had when you measured your screen with a ruler and then blamed coffee when you were proven wrong?!

    That type of "crushing" proof?

    How does anyone know YOU aren't a paid shill sent here to make "truthers" look silly? Especially with that "ruler measurement" crap you pulled.
     
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    yasureoktoo Banned

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    LOLOOLOLO

    Troofers don't need any help to look silly.
     
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    Sure, in both cases, especially demolition nukes start at a kool 1.5 mil. puts the gubmint front and center
    FALSE; people who are not delusional can see there was no plane that struck wtc 1, it was Elvis. People good at video forensics can see no 757 hit wtc2
    There is more proof definitive in fact, waste of time around people who wont talk reality instead only politicizing the matter.
    Yep now that group definitely plants.
    your concern is clearly politics, not facts.
     
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    at least they dont see imaginary planes in shadows like the OCTers
     
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    When sincere truther-seekers see that they're wrong about something, they simply modify their opinions. As soon as I realized I was wrong, I modified my opinion.
     
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    Thats good to know, so now you agree since we can see all those little birdies flying around that it was really Elvis that struck wtc1 since I have proven it was not a plane.
     
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    How do we know that you aren't a paid shill who got caught red handed in a lie, and are getting paid to say you were wrong in order to gain people's confidence once again so you can spread more lies and disinfo?
     
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    yasureoktoo Banned

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    LOLOL

    They see and hear, imaginary things everywhere.
     
  24. Scott

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    I'll link to it so all of the viewers can see exactly what the issue is.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...warning-issued.482175/page-85#post-1069986581

    Anyone can see it was an honest mistake. If I were going to try to fool people, I wouldn't do it with something that's so easy to correct.
     
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    That’s exactly what a paid shill would say.

    Easy to correct? You fought tooth and nail that you were correct when everyone was telling you that you were wrong!
     
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