Should a woman who has repeated abortions have her uterus privileges taken away?

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Oh goody, now show us where "uterus privileges " were made a law or are even a "thing".

    You have no proof that "uterus privilege" exist so why not admit you just made it up???
     
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  2. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's interesting that you say that, because there is someone else within the context of the woman's own body!
     
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    Does a guy have his penis pass revoked for the same transgressions?
     
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    The OP came up with the ABSURDITY of punishing ONLY the women concerned.

    In order to EXPOSE the OP's asinine position I asked the OBVIOUS question.

    I have no intention of defending the faulty logic and odious MISOGYNY of the OP.
     
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    No , there isn't..... just like there isn't such a thing like "uterus privilege"...



    You have no proof that "uterus privilege" exist so why not admit you just made it up???
     
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  6. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh no, only the person who chooses abortion.
    If a man chooses abortion, he can be punished too.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're a little late to this thread, we've already discussed that. (page 4)
     
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    Ah sorry about that. Carry on!
     
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    :) Don't worry, it was mentioned but not addressed....just like asking where "uterus privileges " come from....never addressed ;)
     
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    Indeed, and we will get to that. In the meantime, answer the question.
     
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    What repeated abortions is the guy having in order to revoke his penis pass? Remember, you said same transgression.
     
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    Is it an absurdity if only the woman makes the decision, thus she is the only one to be held accountable?

    The man and woman are both responsible for the creation of a pregnancy, therefore, if a punishment is to be had for creating a pregnancy, then both are to be held accountable, save in cases such as rape, when one did not have a choice.

    An abortion is the termination of a pregnancy, not it's creation. As such, it rarely takes both creators of the pregnancy to terminate it. Only those who participate in the termination such receive any punishment that the actions result in.

    Keep in kind that these are not arguments on whether or not the actions deserve punishment, but on where such, if punishment was to be present, it should be applied.
     
  13. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A privilege is not a right.

    When we are talking about killing another human being, you have to justify that.
    Some justifications, for example, are that it may be needed to save the lives of other people, or one other person who is more deserving.
    "I don't want to be pregnant" is not a good justification.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sometimes men can make the decision too. (The man coerces the woman into getting an abortion, where she practically has little other choice than to do so)

    Abortion doctors are involved in the choice of abortion too. Half of abortion doctors are men, which is all the more remarkable because, these days, 70% of OB-GYN doctors ("women's reproductive health") are women. So why aren't women represented by the same ratio when it comes to abortion?
    Over 85% of late-term abortion doctors in clinics are men. (Guess women don't like getting their hands involved in the dirty work, how typical)
     
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    Sure it is. :)
     
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    LOL, some rampant misogyny : """Guess women don't like getting their hands involved in the dirty work, how typical"""

    ...and tremendous error....
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then why are women still going to men for their female reproductive health (involving their private parts) these days, with so many women in the health field?
    (Slightly more than 50% of the people graduating from medical school are women)

    If one didn't know better, one would think women are having a reason to stay away from that area of "health".

    What is it? Do you think it's discrimination? Maybe performing abortions on women all day long is a "man's world" and the men want to hog this prestigious field all for themselves and keep women out?

    Or maybe, could it be, most females are just not built with the nerve to kill babies and totally turn off their maternal feelings of empathy? That seems like a much more likely scenario.

    I don't think there are any other areas of health that are so gender-biased as doctors performing later-term abortions.
    Please feel free to correct me if wrong.
     
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    Uh, maybe they aren't sexists???? Ya, that could be it....

    Intelligent people don't pick a doctor based on gender.





    Gee, maybe if you KNEW any women you could ask them.....but I see it's just more fun to make up stuff that fits with a misogynistic view...


    Again, like your OP....there doesn't seem to be a point....not one based in the real world anyway...:)











    Now show us where "uterus privileges " were made a law or are even a "thing".

    You have no proof that "uterus privilege" exist so why not admit you just made it up???
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's not what I was asking. Why are there such a shortage of female doctors in this field?

    Men wouldn't be stepping up into it unless there was a big vacuum of women.
    I've heard numerous accounts of doctors fresh out of med school trying to get into a residency program and one of the few open slots available to them was training for abortion, or some other less desirable option like Gerontology. Even abortion doctors themselves will tell you there's a kind of a perception out there that abortion doctors went into the field because they didn't have very many other options.
     
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    :roflol:

    LOL, why are you so desperate to go off topic ?? Especially with such a silly sexist POINTLESS bunch of BS ...
     
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    You're still jumping the gun. Try again within the context of one's own body. Show me what is a right I have with my own body, and a privilege I have with my own body.
     
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    ALL rights and privilege are ultimately made up. There is so much that we claim are rights, but in the end, they exist only because we declare they exist. We can't even always agree what a given "right" means. Does it means that something is to be given to you, or does it mean that it simply cannot be denied by government or a third party? There are entire debates on the topic. And when we enter into one like this when we are discussing what the law should be, stating what is or is not law, at least directly, is a red herring. The only time the law enters into a topic like this, is as a logical extension of a different law, or general application, such as when I showed how there was an attempt to apply a given consequence to two different situations.
     
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    Granted and I was holding off on that because that brings in a whole lot of other issues. First the man can force it on the woman through physical violence, causing a miscarriage (aka natural abortion). Furthermore, the man forcing, physically or through coercion, the abortion may not be the father. Despite the below I was excluding any medical professional, because in the end, they are not really part of the decision, merely the means.

    They are actually not involved in the choice per se. While they can give advice, or even refuse to perform the procedure, the decision is ultimately up to the woman, at least as far as the majority of abortions go, notable male exceptions above acknowledged.
     
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    No a privilege is not a right. Driving on the roads is a privilege, not a right. Freedom of speech is a right. While a specific act of speech can cause legal repercussions if it specifically causes harm, you cannot lose your right to free speech. A state can take away your legal ability to drive for any reason not covered by the equality act (sex, race, religion, etc.)
     
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    I was responding to the last sentence in the other post's post (the sentence I bolded):

    kazenatsu said:
    A privilege is not a right.

    When we are talking about killing another human being, you have to justify that.
    Some justifications, for example, are that it may be needed to save the lives of other people, or one other person who is more deserving.
    "I don't want to be pregnant" is not a good justification.""""""""""


    The correct answer is : Sure it is !
     
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