Should calling someone a "rasist" qualify as hate speach?

Agreed

 

What a super convenient definition that then allows you to decide what contextually merits the offense.. Utterly laughable.

 

The real issue here is defamation. Calling someone a racist, like say the CNN or MSNBC panels that endlessly hide behind their defamation as "opinion" is entirely BS. I suggest that there is demonstrable hate involved and invective used when those folks hurl the slur at others, mostly because it usually doesn't then end up in court. I would hope that changes. But for now, the standard here is what constitutes defamation. Liberals should experience being on the receiving end of their own statutory regulations because, yes, they use the term racist with malice. It isn't a 'description' or an "opinion" at that point, it is a public declaration of defamation.

And what is so entirely ironic about the slur, is that it is used, almost exclusively, by the very folks who are demonstrably and deliberately engaging in racism.

 

Not at all, it's extremely inconvenient, hence threads like this one. That doesn't make it any less true though.

The alternative of having a list of words that are always hate speech regardless of context has it's own issues of course; "There are words that you're not allowed to use. We can't tell you what those words are though because we're not allowed to use them."

 

Complete and utter nonsense!

In order to obtain a conviction there needs to be a trial and sufficient evidence to justify that it was a hate crime.

Or is it your position that the law is being applied "unfairly" because the is plenty of evidence of the law being applied unfairly when it comes to blacks while whites get off or have more lenient sentences?

So having the law applied EQUALLY now is what is being misperceived as "unfair" by those who were practicing the unfairness in the past?

 

Supply this 'plenty of evidence' that hate speech laws are being applied to blacks and not whites...

 

Lol...I'd say it qualifies them as illiterate.

 

I was referring to laws in general so my apologies for any confusion caused by not being specific ITR.

 

This is just like that N-guy episode of south park

 

It is interesting, the difference between how society responded to the crack epidemic and how we're responding to the heroine epidemic now. Im not willing to conclude that racism is the reason, but it certainly is the easiest explanation on the surface.

But regarding hatespeech laws, we can already see a reverse trend. No one but a few insecure whites care when someone says 'white people are bad', but when almost any other group is denegrated, its massive public outcry, even by whites.

I personally didn't care about this back when people still valued free speech- we all had the right to believe/speak wrongly and the right to chastize eachother for it.

By making it a legal issue we're only going criminalize unpopular opinion. That may not be so terrible on the issue of racism, but the precedent it would set on other issues is detrimental to society. It wasn't that long ago that stating, for example: 'diet coke is worse for you than regular coke' was a conspiracy theory that few people wanted to hear. We now know that some artificial sweeteners like aspartame are indeed worse for you than sugar (which we now know is also bad for you), largely as a result of research seeking to confirm or deny the perception once it became popular.

I see laws restricting speech as a fundamental danger to this dynamic.

 

There are no laws restricting speech outside of incitement to violence and libel/slander so your position is essentially a strawman.

 

How do you feel about red flag laws that would limit someone's civil rights based on their views regarding race? Would you support restricting guns to someone who admitted not liking black people on social media, for example?

 

That is a gross mischaracterization of the Red Flag laws.

All they do is allow for a petition to be filed before a judge who then weighs the rights of the individual against the safety of those threatened by the individual in order to issue a TEMPORARY restraining order.

Would you support allowing someone who is mentally unstable and acting aggressively to have a loaded gun around your own family because it might infringe upon their sacred 2nd amendment rights?

 

Using it as an epithet I agree is wrong

Pointing out that some twerp who denigrates others who are different is a racist then no

 

What is the alternative?

 

Russian agitprop is obsessed with fueling discussions like this. They WANT us fighting each other.

Also of note...English spelling is tough for Cyrillic speakers (rasist)

 

Good catch!

 

I agree- however while the word is predominantly being used loosely and aggressively as slander today, there are and always be some racists. Accuracy is the key here- properly applied the word is objective; otherwise- it is slander and libelous. Not sure that qualifies it as hate speech, but certainly it's often used for that purpose, meaning to impune the integrity of a target and do harm- because you don't like their politics, just as you state.

Good and great things are only possible when people work together. Embracing divisive language and attitudes as we see today insures that great things can't be done.

 

Not ciminalizing wrongthink.

 

And that will reduce the firearm mortality?

 

I understand thats how they're being advertised. I hope its nothing more than that.

Does that mean you do not support restricting guns to someone who admitted to merely not liking black people on social media, for example?

 

Ultimately, by at least as much as banning AR15s will.

When you take a mans pen, he's more likely to go find a sword.

 

Curiously enough I just started a related thread along those lines.

http://politicalforum.com/index.php...of-white-supremacist-extremism-online.561870/

I have no problem with anyone expressing their opinion in a normal fashion no matter how odious it may be.

The problem only becomes a concern when there is action or the potential for action that would be harmful to others.

 

Good thread. I'll comment on it as soon as I figure out why clicking the link logs me out of PF... wtf...

 

Try doing a Right Click and Open in a New Tab instead.