Should civilians be considered valid targets in war?

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Should civilians be considered valid targets in war?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    During the Korean War, and to a degree during Vietnam War, USA did target civilians. Overall, about 3 million civilians were killed by American Firepower since WWII.
     
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    If we were truly civilized they would be no need for war, so the question would be moot.
    But we have things like the MIC and the obscenely rich, with money as their god. So we have many wars.
     
  3. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Hiroshima + Nagasaki = Genocide
     
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    I believe that would be a violation of the Geneva Conventions. Thing is they are only binding on signatories, if I recall correctly.
     
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  5. submarinepainter

    submarinepainter Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am positive the NAZI's were way worse, I get mad because so many take, take . take and really give nothing, so up yours America haters!

    World War II Casualties by Country (worldpopulationreview.com)
     
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  6. CCitizen

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    Definitely Nazis are guilty of worst Genocides in History. But USA also committed genocide -- bombing of Japan 1945, bombing of North Korea 1950-'53, bombing of Southeast Asia 1965-'73.
     
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    submarinepainter Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    like we said in the army war is hell but peace time is a muther flacker
     
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    No, not even close... Hitler and the Nazis were rank amateurs at genocide and depravity compared to Stalin and Mao.

    The Russians lost the most people in WW II, but that was only because Stalin viewed humans as a disposable resource.

    The estimates vary, but of all my research on these topics over the years I've come to conclude that the "official estimates" are well below reality.

    My estimates put the Soviet Union death count between 50-70 million (and I think that's low); and, Mao's murderous handiwork at over 200 million (and counting).

    The Chinese Communist Party murders people every day. The genocide is no longer systematic, but everyone in China knows full well that if they run afoul of someone who is connected to the party, they could be vanished in the blink of an eye.

    Hitler was a babe in the woods compared to Stalin and the psychopaths who run China.
     
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    War includes attacking the enemy homeland. I was in the Field Artillery in the Army. We used to say that our mission was "To kill the Godless enemy by the thousands, rearrange terrain, and make cave dwelling an acceptable standard of living in the homelands of our enemies."
     
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    They're binding if you lose. Signatory or not.
     
  11. Bullseye

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    Cite?
     
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    You're right that stalin and mao killed more, but it's only because they didn't go insane and lose world war 2. Had Hitler done better and ruled Europe for a long time, I have no doubt he would have killed just as many and for even more evil reasons.
     
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    Lol no. Just think about it. When you lose a war, badly enough that you fall into enemy hands, the enemy makes you pay. When you win or walk away like Vietnam, you don't. You really think Truman was going to face war crimes trials for bombing the **** out of Japan after winning had it been ratified/retroactively applied? Geneva means nothing if you win. Other nations just wag their fingers at you.
     
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    Yeah, whatever.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    So you side with Putin. Bomb schools , hospitals, malls....kill young, old it doesn't matter because they are they enemy.
     
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    That was a fairly nasty post and uncalled for. We don't bomb schools, hospitals and malls or noncombatants. We have spent a fortune on targeting tools like "Human Terrain Analysis" to ensure we know where the noncombatants are so we don't target them. Things like "carpet bombing" which destroyed huge areas indiscriminately are now obsolete, replaced with precision systems like JDAMS which utilize laser aiming to get steel on the target and not noncombatants. Unmanned aerial vehicles (now called "uncrewed" in the woke world we live in) typically use HELLFIRE missiles which, again, are precision guided munitions to avoid noncombatant casualties as much as possible. But wars involve killing the bad guys. It always will.
     
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    Are you not American?
     
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    Support is not always there. Enables it as in how? Let’s say they’re building tanks and are targeted that is understandable but a Walmart worker? Lmao get real.
     
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    Where did you read that in his comment? Is this some sort of liberal magic trick, reading things not there?

    or maybe your reading skills are just that bad. So you have to assume what he said rather than understand it? I know a few good teachers if you would like to meet them. Help is always there.
     
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  20. edna kawabata

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    So, "To kill the Godless enemy by the thousands, rearrange terrain, and make cave dwelling an acceptable standard of living in the homelands of our enemies." was just chest thumping puffery.
     
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    Ok, you know nothing about the military, its operations, its people or its mission. You offer no value to me as a chatter so I will ignore you now. Have a nice day.
     
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    per the bible it is
     
  23. Mr.Incognito

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    Yes I am. Think about it Joe, around 42% of households in the US have guns. If you pick a fight with America, you'd better be very concerned about its citizens. I don't think a land invasion would go well for anyone who'd try. So if I was going to war against America, citizens would definitely be a valid target.
     
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    Only 42%?? We can do better than THAT!
     
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    Your quote has nothing to do with "military operations" unless by military operations you mean macho hyperbole The Russians can use your quote to describe what they are doing in Ukraine.
     

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