Should employers be able to fire you for legal activity outside of work?

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Should employers be able to fire you for legal activity outside of work?

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  2. No

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  1. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My second post removes the "reason". These "reasons" are often abused for financial gain. My first post answers your question under the current legal climate, while the second post is an opinion on the legal climate itself.
     
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  2. Chickpea

    Chickpea Well-Known Member

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    “We no longer require your services.”
     
  3. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely not. as long as the activities are legal and you aren't on the clock they are none of your bosses business. You either have privacy and free speech or you do not.
     
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  4. Chickpea

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    We all have the right to free speech. Including employers.
     
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    Agreed but no employer has the right to fire some one because he doesn't like their politics however base those politics might be. That would amount to an a priori restriction of political speech.
     
  6. Chickpea

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    An employer is not the government. An empoyer is under no obligation to employ (or continue employing) anyone.
     
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    :roll:
     
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    Allow me to introduce you to the prospect of “at-will employment”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment
     
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  10. Chickpea

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    One has a right to be employed by someone?
     
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    sure, it's in the Constitution along with a right to , food, medical care, housing, I phone, Tesla, 4 weeks Caribbean vacation etc
     
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    That's brutal. Here if you are fired without just cause you can sue. You are entitled to proper severance.
     
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    How about for being a particular race?
     
  14. Turin

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    But the things you say in public arent private.
     
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    Turin Well-Known Member

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    Dont takr the video that was posted literally. I only used it as an example. Sorry, I should have clarified that.
     
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    That's America for you. Disgusting. If you are fired without just cause, you should be entitled to compensation. You should also be counted as an employee if you are one in practice and they should. not be able to simply label you one to avoid labour laws.
     
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    @DARTH

    IT WAS USED AS AN EXAMPLE AND NOT A LITERAL CASE. CAPSLOCK MUCH?!?!?
     
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    If you only look at it from that perspective then you might agree. Please explain why an employee is ENTITLED to severance vs letting a business decide if they wish to give pay, for no work? Why would a business want to let go of a valuable, productive employee?
     
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    While I fully understand the generic notion of at will employment, I also understand that I have known multiple people whom have sued and won for unlawful termination, as well as friends that have employees that have successfully been sued for the same. It actually happens quite frequently, and anyone that works in HR knows this full well. As a result, employers are wise to be very careful to have all of their ducks in a row with proper documentation etc. when terminating an employee.

    It is not nearly as cut and dried as you seem to be implying.
     
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    What are employers entitled to when a worker up and quits?
     
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    For many reasons not related to the work. People are human and not always rational. Perhaps the boss was rejected romantically, is racist, discovers somebody is gay, whatever.
     
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    That would be wrong.
     
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    Yes, but this isn't always the case in real life, and for everyone who sues and wins there's others who lose. In any case, theoretically you can get fired for something reasonable like being late every day or something small like not preparing the coffee right. Theoretically.
     
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    Indeed there are some/many that sue and lose, but the reality remains that it is not as cut and dried as you were portraying it to be. Employment at will does NOT actually mean that the employer can fire for any reason regardless of the stated definition of employment at will. Firing employees is a minefield that is fraught with danger for any employer, and the wise ones are very diligent about documenting in great detail their reason for doing so. Right or wrong, the civil courts tend to side with the employees.
     
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  25. Darthcervantes

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    lets take it one step further
    Should employers be able to fire you for what you say in this forum?
    Think about it for a few before answering.
     
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