Should Joe and Hunter Biden be forced to testify before the Senate?

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Should the Bidens be forced to testify before the Senate?

  1. Yes, they are clearly essential to the case

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  2. No, they're immaterial

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  1. Pag

    Pag Active Member

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    No I don't believe there is any . But democrats could reference to this withholding as a self-interest. Enyway it's not illegal to withhold it's just illegal to don't deliver.
     
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    I do know what you mean, truly. After being a card-carrying member of the Republican Party all my adult life, I quit it in summer 2017 because of the "RINO infestation". I felt that the Republican Party I had known under Ronald Reagan had 'morphed' into a sickly, disgusting variation of the Democrat Party -- and I wanted NO part of that. It was just gut-wrenching to watch these "never-Trump" Republicans fighting against him almost as hard as the Democrats were!

    So, I'm the rock-solid Conservative that life and working for a living taught me to be... but I'm not a "Republican" in the Idiot "W" Bush idea of what a "Republican" actually is. And, there's no use in joining a 'third-party', either. That's a TOTAL waste of time and effort....

    Anyway, back on topic -- nobody should be called to 'testify' in either of these two bullshit impeachment articles, neither of which even describe a CRIME. But, if anybody 'testifies' then Joe Biden and his sonny-boy, Hunter, should be forced to testify, too.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are two VERY different ideologies wrestling for control of what America is to be. We have gone along to get along for far too many years. Donald Trump drew a line in the sand. "We never will be a Socialist Nation. Has a lot of 'em upset!
     
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    I tend to agree there.....so what is this coup/impeachment about?
     
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    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

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    Well, okay, but all this drama assumes that Trump had no reason to ask for an investigation into Junior other than the splash it would make on Biden.
     
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    It's about seizing the opportunity by democrats and turn sth from investigation of a probable corruption to a pressure to Ukraine for self-interest.
    As matter of fact it's not like that Trump didn't want to hammer Biden as an opponent but the fact is that they can't say he did it to interfere with election.
    And even if he did it for the sake of election what's bad about it. He just clarified that some corrupt one like Biden shouldn't be president.
     
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    Sometimes I just ask myself why should be even a party. Why making things this complicated. Is'n providing a good life for anyone the goal. I mean everyone from every party should have one goal and that's making everyone better off. So where are all these disputes coming from which result in different parties.
     
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    I think it starts with a craving for power over others.

    But the reason there are different parties is attributable to varying political philosophy.
    Some feel that change is usually bad, and that revolution is usually catastrophic. Others feel that a little revolution now and then is a good thing. Others favor reform here and there to get us where they want us to be.

    I would support a revolution in Notth Korea and Cuba. But I don't really know that even there would revolution improve the people's standard of living.
     
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    The Biden’s made over a billion dollars while Biden was VP by getting contracts and positions they had zero experience in. Much of it taxpayer $$$.
     
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    I believe there was a time when both parties had common interests for the good of America. The problem is now I believe one party has galvanized itself with the intent of turning my country into something it was never meant to be. A look at Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez will define that intent. The Democrat Party has been courting them for a long time. Before, pretty subtle. Now, not so subtle.
     
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    There is no way in hell the democrats what little Jr to testify. It will open up a Panora's box of corruption tied directly to the Messiah and his old administration. Whether that punk testifies or not I want an investigation started, how about a special prosecutor, I mean Democrats are the party of law and order so they tell us these days. If there is nothing to hide.............right? I see the other day that Hiawatha said she would appoint a task force to investigate the Trump administration for any possible crimes, every lefty that agrees with that let me see you raise your hand in agreement if Trump did the EXACT same thing to look in to Obama. Again.......If there is nothing to hide...........right?
     
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    While they're at it....why not investigate the entire "Biden Five"?
     
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    So Hunter Biden be forced to testify to federal investigators?
     
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    That's the whole point why should we get to a point that we need to choose if revolution is good. All these parties are just produced from the media. Fox news says sth MSNBC says another and these media are molding public opinion. Tell you what , suppose one day ones who own fox want war all they need to do is just generate their idea in society through their media. I believe these parties are generated by media owners. They are the ones who dictate the public how to think and they own the idea factories.
    For example this impeachment the fact is that democrats don't have any argument but they generated this sham through their media.
     
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    Yes there is some serious dirt on Biden.
     
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    Absolutely yes! Along with Adam Sciff and involved members of the DNC.
     
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    I've somewhat changed my position on this: if getting the Bidens to testify is what it takes for the GOP to finally do their job and interview ACTUAL FACT WITNESSES in this case, I'm for it. Let them have their dog and pony show, then bring in Bolton and Mulvaney.
     
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    What for, this is about Trump, not Biden. The Bidens are private persons, if they do wrong, have done wrong its a matter of the DOJ.
    Impeachment is about a President having done something wrong. In this case, using the office for personal gain, in the next election, by trying to force a foreign government to dig up dirt on a possible opponent.
    That is the case. Trump overstepping, not what the Bidens might have done.
    Even if the Bidens were involved in bribery or what ever in the Ukraine, it does not change the point of the impeachment, has Trump stepped over the line and misused the power of his office.
    That is the big question the congress has to deal with.
    Did he or did he not.
    Bolton has to be put on the stand under oath.
     
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    What is it? What illegal things, SPECIFICALLY, is it alleged that either Biden has done? and keep in mind that just getting a rather well-paid position in a gas company is not, in and of itself, Illegal. Is there evidence that Hunter blocked investigations? Did he provide secret info etc? then have at it but you have to provide reasonable suspicion that someone has actually done something illegal before you can investigate them,
     
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    If the Democrats want The American People to hear ALL the information related to the impeachment, then their only answer can be "Yes".
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    Abuse of power.
    Influence peddling.
    Quid Pro Quo.
     
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    The Ukraine issue started because Trump wanted investigation of Biden's actions taken while he was VP.
    How is the legitimacy of the desire for said investigation not a integral part of the "abuse of power" charge?
    Why do you think someone running against an incumbent White House is immune to investigations of actions he took while an elected federal official?
     
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    I'm sorry, I was unclear, specific means actual specific acts, not just classes of possible crimes

    Abuse of what power? How? What actual specific illegal act are you alleging was done?

    What influence was peddled? To whom and for what?

    What illegal "this" for "that" are we talking about? ( I think that is actually inappropriate here, the general meaning is a trade, it only becomes illegal in a specific context)
     
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    I'm sorry you don't like my answer to your question.
     
  25. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    It wasn't an answer.
     
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