Should Muslims convert or?

Show me where in Christianity it tells the members to rob and kill.

I can show you in Islam, many times.

 

Mosaic law was far more violent than Islam.

But, that doesn't matter. We aren't going to change Islam just like we aren't going to change Christianity. Its just not something that we Americans believe government has the right or method of attempting.

The fact of the matter is that there are significant reasons for the terrorism that has been present in the ME - just like there were significant reasons for the terrorism by the IRA and by Mandela.

Pretending like it is Islam or that changing the religion of nearly 2 billion people is something we could accomplish is just plain idiotic. First of all, there is absolutely zero possibility of success.

We know what caused our own revolution, the resistance and eventual success of the IRA, ETA, and Mandela.

Your direction can not possibly succeed and we need a direction that CAN succeed.

And, there is plenty of evidence of what CAN succeed.

 

LOLOLOL

You said Christianity, and now you speak of Judism.
Incidently, Judism was not as violent as Islam either, It was violent, but not as much.
And BTW, The Jews don't even follow that anymore.


You cannot cure Islam, you have to kill it.

 

No you can't.

You CAN quote the Qur'an. But, that's no better than quoting the stories of Joshua's terrorism or the mass slaughter of the Midianites (except for the virgin girls, who were divided between the generals) - and then claiming that Christianity is inherently criminally violent

What's important is what the vast majority of Muslims, moderate Islam, believe.

And religions (including Christianity) don't necessarily follow every phrase of the foundational documents of the religion.

 

LOLOLOL
I can quote more than the Qur'an, I have the entire Sunnah.
The same books you will find in every mosque.
Volumes of books, books of violence, murder, thievery, sexual crimes,

I got into this with you before.
You don't know anything about Islam, you are a waste of time.

 

Again, what YOU take from those documents is ABSOLUTEY IRRELEVANT.

Islam has to do with what MUSLIMS take from those documents.

The same goes for Christianity. Christians don't accept the slaughter of men, women and children (for which God blesse the Israelites when they slaughtered the Midiianites)

Christians don't accept slavery.

Christians don't accept terrorism such as executed by Joshua at Jericho.

Etc.

 

Dude, wake up, then grow up.
You are claiming Christianity, and quoting Jewish text.
Written long before Christianity was even though of.



Show me, in the bible, where Christians did any of this stuff you claim.


And BTW, Christians did accept slavery.


But so what, this thread is about Muslims.

Not Druids, not Jews, not Norse or Greek, not Christians, not Mayans.

Or any other religion but Islam.

We have been over this before, remember I wrote a list of Muslim excuses for you.
Number 4 was, change the subject, blame another religion.


Personally, I don't really care what Christians do.
If it is so important to you, make a thread about it.

 

According to this link the first mosque in America was in Ross, North Dakota = https://newrepublic.com/article/128726/north-dakota-prairie-became-home-americas-first-mosque

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Mosque_of_America

 

That's pretty much what I was saying.
Many slaves came here as Muslims, but were forcibly converted, or their next generation was.
It wasn't until 1934 a mosque was built here.
Of course nobody knew anything about Islam back then, or it may not have been built.

 

What do you do with a criminal/naughty child? You isolate/ground him/her, so he can realize his/her ****.

 

Christianity has one foundation - the Bible. Chriistians constantly check their religion against what is written in that document.

It's relevant, because YOU are attempting to foment a religious war.

 

Not sure where you are getting your information, but Christianity is the New covenant.
The old covenant is Jewish.

Christianity, and The coming of Jesus changes the laws and rules of the old.
Now we turn the other cheek,
casting the first stone,
Love thy enemy,
Stuff like that, 4 books worth.

Not sure what religion you are,
You know nothing about Islam,
You know nothing about Christianity.
Perhaps you are Hindu, probably the reason you are not speaking of the God Shiva.
Shiva is known as "The Destroyer"

But regardless, you are in the wrong thread.
This thread is about Islam.

 

No, your contributions are about your personal translation of Muslim holy scripture.

And, your response is hate and holy war.

 

I don't translate Muslim scripture.
I let the translater's do that for me.
I just read what is said.
PS, I didn't write the religion.

 

Perhaps I should have used "interpret" rather than "translate".

But, the piece I'm talking about comes between undersanding the words in the text and any decision on what these various works actualy mean for those living on earth.

I would point out that it is not reasonable to expect that you or I could read these anciennt works and decide what they mean to Islam today..

If we want to know about a particular religion, we have to ask.

And, there are very few Muslims who would accept your personal view of Islam.

 

LOLOLOL

I don't interpret it either.
I read it word for word as is written.

 

That doesn't mean you accurately determined the message.

 

LOLOLOLOL

I read it word for word from the text.
You can't get any more accurate than that.

When I quote something, I always post book and verse.
If I don't, I will when someone asks about it.

Post something that I said wrong.

 

Maybe you do, you've still not argued that it is actually having the intended effect.

"Grounding can backfire if the type and duration of restrictions are too severe relative to the behavior meant to be corrected"​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grounding_(discipline_technique)

I'm not a disciplinary scientist, but I seem to recall the most effective behavioural modification is based on tit-for-tat, it needs to be very clear that the retaliation is proportional to the unwanted behaviour, or the conclusion is not that they deserved the punishment, but that the punisher is crazy/immoral, deserving of hatred. Indeed, the justice system in many liberal countries is based on this fact, and that's why America for instance has innocent until proven guilty. If we are worried about discrimination, and Islam is correlated with discrimination, the correction which minimises the discrimination is to very clearly punish the discrimination, not stuff that it is correlated with.

 

I don't really care how it is done, as long as it produces the results I have seen in moderate Muslims, I'm happy. Maybe removing Mohammed is the way, maybe not. But I do know that if we try to dictate to them what the solution is, it will fall on deaf ears.

 

When the religion very plainly and clearly, orders the people to rob and kill, you obviously have to change or eliminate the religion.
When the religion orders you to kill other members who do not go along with your show, you lose any power you think you have.

 

so you are for Christians, jews and muslims religion being eliminated?

 

the Christian bible, includes the old testament. Jesus specifically says he is not abolishing the old laws, so they are still in effect. That people don't follow it, is irrelevant. Just like how the majority of muslims don't follow the violent parts of their holy book.

 

I see you're not a Christian.
The bible includes the old ways. The Old Covenant
The coming of Jesus changes the rules. The new Covenant.
The "Old laws" Jesus enforces are the ten commandments, not the 613 laws of Moses.
I spent my first 20 years growing up in a hard core protestant household, and we never even brought up the laws of Moses, except the ten.
No Christian church follows them.
Now they
turn the other cheek
casting the first stone
Love thy enemy.
stuff like that.
The OT is a history book of times past when they were Jewish.

Even the Jews don't follow that stuff anymore.


And how many Muslims name their kids Muhammed.
Hell, when people name their kids Adolph Hitler, they get arrested.

80% of the writings of Muhammed has him robbing, raping, or killing someone.
You can't read around it.

 

No, Just Muslims.