Should people on the no-fly list be able to buy guns?

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Should people on the no-fly list be able to buy guns?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

    61.5%
  3. Not sure

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  4. "What" theres a list?

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  1. MMC

    MMC Well-Known Member

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    This is what BO and the Democrats wanted passed but was shot down. BO wanted one reason why the Repubs would say no. It's called the Constitution. What say ye.

    Should people on the No Fly List be able to buy guns?
     
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    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    For as long as there is no due process, no notification, no way to challenge, no process to be removed, and secrecy involved in being included on the no-fly-list, we cannot constitutionally use it to arbitrarily infringe a Citizen's 2A rights.


    Interestingly, I voted YES, but was registered as a NO. Clearly some sort of left-wing gun-grabber conspiracy! (or possibly a poorly aimed mouseclick)
     
  3. MMC

    MMC Well-Known Member

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    Exactly, and if people are not charged with any crime. Then there is no reason to infringe on their liberty. Yet this is what BO peep was up in front of cameras and stating.
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    They shouldn't be banned from buying guns based on the No Fly list, which does not have the protections that the U.S. Constitution grants for rights. According to the 5th and 14th amendments, rights (including the right to bear arms) can only be taken away by due process. Due process involves some sort of hearing which the accused is allowed to defend themselves. Every other reason we ban gun ownership involves due process--felony conviction, domestic violence misdemeanor conviction, dishonorable discharge from the military, and mental illness which causes one to be involuntarily committed to a mental hospital.

    That said, the FBI is already informed of anytime someone on the Terrorist Watch list tries to buy a gun via NICS. They should investigate ASAP.

    Also, most people on the Terrorist Watch list aren't even residents of America, so it's kind of a moot point.
     
  5. MMC

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    Not to mention some people don't even know if they have been put on the list. Don't forget they had like 70 some of our TSA people on the list.


    Still Feinstein pushed it, and BO tried to double down on it.
     
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    I put "not sure" based upon the fact that the list is currently unknowable for the general masses. If they wanted to make the list available for review by people and put in a method for a person to be removed from the list within a very short time period I would be open to discuss.

    Have to remember they are portraying the people the value our constitution as unreasonable. So you don't say no you give a "reasonable" counteroffer and see what they do. Then we can claim they are being unreasonable.
     
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    all depends on why they are on the list and if they can easily contest it in court
     
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    Exactly ted kennedy was on the no fly list these last group of terrorists were not. According to Obamas rules...ted kennedy would be denied access but the terrorists would still have gone on as they did. The no fly list is nothing more than another attempt by the left to backdoor gun grab. Its why they wont tell you how exactly it will work. Basically lefties like Obamas ilk will put you on there at a feverish pace and if you think clearing up identity fraud is bad...you will bead long before your name is ever removed from that list. Gun grabbing plan b in effect. It isnt going to work either. If you dont like guns your optiom is to move to another country.
     
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    Here my Italian background comes out ... despite I'm conservative, I tend to imagine that if an authority has got some suspicion on an individual and it puts it on a no-fly list, there is a valid reason not to allow that subject to buy a weapon.
     
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    If they would sell this HONESTLY to the American People, it would sound something like this:

    For immediate release:
    "Excellent news! We are compiling a secret list of bad guys that we don't think should be able to legally buy a gun. This should hopefully keep some bad guys from buying guns at a Cabela's. We, alone, will decide who goes on that list, but we can't tell you what the criteria behind our decision was (sorry). We won't notify you that you've been added to the list, nor will we tell you WHY you were added (sorry). So, we aren't going to give you any hearing to be able to dispute your inclusion, AND we aren't going to give you any way to request a review or to reverse our decision. Once you have been added to the list, we aren't going to give you any way to get off of it. (sorry)".

    Somehow, I don't think this level of truth would gain the traction that the official position did.

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    You have WAY more trust in the integrity of your government than I have in mine.
     
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    The problem is that there are no checks and balances as to how the list is produced. A man was put on the list for being on a "preppers" mailing list.
     
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    We need to prevent terrorists like US Senator Ted Kennedy was and was on the no-fly-list from being able to buy a gun, definitely and particularly since 100% of mass shooters were on the no-fly list, right?

    YOU might be on the no-fly list. It is not advertised. To be on the safeside regardless, you shouldn't be able to buy a gun. I should, but not you.

    Congress should pass a resolution condemning the past service in the US Senate. It is outrageous that he was ever allowed to serve and its time to recognize the terrorist that he was.
     
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    The contempt Obama has for the Bill Of Rights is unlimited.

    Since Obama is acting as an agent for ISIS - giving them advance warnings of air attacks, advising them to use civilians as human shields because our policy is then not to attack and giving advance notice of troop counts, rules of engagement and tactics to ISIS, Obama should be at the TOP of the no-fly-list.
     
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    No, in Italy it's not the government to put you on a no-fly zone, but a magistrate ... Italians don't trust at all the government at Rome. We like to say that Italians carry on DESPITE the government at Rome.
     
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    This is a problem ... are there no laws about the composition of this list?
     
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    They should not be allowed to buy guns.
     
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    They shouldn't even be banned from flying.
     
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    No, they should not. Seems pretty obvious to me. I'm not even a liberal.
     
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    People have been put on the list all due to one of their friends or family member knowing someone. Like an acquaintance of someone else.

    Sounds like that would be unreasonable to me.
     
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    Why should those on the list not be allowed to buy guns? Did they commit a crime or something. Or do you always stand for taking away someone's civil liberty. For being on a list.

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    That is true.....even those with criminal records in their past can fly, huh?
     

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