Should people on the no-fly list be able to buy guns?

No, they shouod not be denied on that basis alone.

 

haha, I too marked the wrong answer. dang conspiracies!

 

Perhaps a poorly calibrated voting machine is to blame! Dangling chads, possibly?

 

exactly. Foreigners already can't buy guns legally, nor anyone with a restraining order, mental health history, & numerous other flags & conditions. The left makes it sound like if you are a no fly list, you are automatically given a green light to buy guns! In fact, they will issue you one for free! It is an absurd argument with no meaning. It is merely a deflection, & a ginned up excuse to display moral outrage, which the left loves to do. Reason, not so much.

 

Not that I have been able to find. It's basically based upon what Homeland Security says.

 

Now that the issue of the no-fly list and the terrorist watch list being so flawed has come out, this is the perfect time to fix the flaws in those lists. I don't believe either of the lists are going away and are somewhat helpful to the NSA, TSA, or others protecting the country.

If you are an American citizen on the no fly list, you should know that before you attempt to buy an plane ticket. You should also know why you are on that list and there should be a way to get your name removed from the list, if it is put there in error. In this country, we have a right to face our accuser and to due process.

Once the lists are fixed, I wouldn't have a problem with adding the content of those lists to the NICS system. If the lists aren't fixed, and anyone's name can be added willy-nilly, I am not in favor of adding the do not fly list or terrorist watch list to the background check system for purchasing firearms.

 

You are wrong. Foreigners are allowed to buy guns. Permanent resident aliens (aka Green card holders) are not American citizens, yet they are allowed to buy guns. Temporary aliens are allowed to buy guns under limited circumstances, such as to go hunting in the U.S.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/general-information/fact-sheet

 

Ok, but it is very restrictive, & still would be a flag if the foreigner was on a no fly list. I've filled out a lot of firearm purchase forms, & citizenship & verifying it is a very important procedure. But the idea that any foreigner visiting can waltz into a gun shop & come out with an assault rifle is absurd.

I don't have a problem with it, if it protects due process for the citizens. The problem i see is an imperial edict that arbitrarily puts law abiding citizens on some list, with no appeal process, & no facing the accuser. This can be used by a tyrannical dictator to ban the owning & buying of firearms, by the punitive action of placing them on a list that is not overseen by anyone but the administration.

 

Even the ACLU is telling BO peep like it is. That will mean Hillary too.



ACLU: The No-Fly List Needs Major Reform Before Stripping Americans of Freedoms.....

Now, the notoriously liberal ACLU is calling for detailed reform of the no-fly list before taking away rights from Americans.

We filed the suit in June 2010 on behalf of 10 U.S. citizens and permanent residents who the government banned from flying to or from the U.S. or over American airspace. (Three more people later joined the suit.) Our clients, among them four U.S. military veterans, were never told why they were on the list or given a reasonable opportunity to get off it. Some were stranded abroad, unable to come home. As one response to our lawsuit, the government began to allow Americans to fly home on a “one-time waiver,” with stringent security precautions.

There’s another important aspect to the government’s case at this stage. The government has emphasized that it is making predictive judgments that people like our clients — who have never been charged let alone convicted of a crime — might nevertheless pose a threat. That’s a perilous thing for it to do. As we’ve told the court based on evidence from experts, these kinds of predictions guarantee a high risk of error. If the government is going to predict that Americans pose a threat and blacklist them, that’s even more reason for the fundamental safeguards we seek.

People in this country have due process rights. We want to see them respected.....snip~

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...fore-stripping-americans-of-freedoms-n2091466

 

As long as the same goes for the immigration process, that makes sense.

 

Ah, that's a big difference. In the US, being put on the no fly list is an administrative, not a judicial function. Since guns are a constitutional right in the US, if a non judicial administrative process can remove constitutional rights, than it's not just guns that would be threatened, but the rest of the bill of rights. People on the no fly list could find themselves deprived of 4th Amendment rights protecting them from unreasonable searches or 5th amendment due process.

 

Well, no, since this is the US context [that it's an administrative act], the two matters cannot be linked, since an administrative act cannot [never] be superior in any way to a law ... imagine to the Constitution!

 

Absolutely. People are put on the "no-fly" list for unknown, arbitrary reasons. There is no trial, no legal formalities, not even so much as a notice that you're on it. We can't take away an individual's most basic constitutional liberty, the right to bear arms, on such flimsy grounds.

 

I couldn't vote in this poll because the "no-fly" list is chock full of mistakes and omissions of all kinds. You've got grandmothers and babies on this list (that must have been prepared by a bunch of half-witted 'civil servants' on the government payroll). Meanwhile, REAL terrorists move about the country without any problem. This idiot, hyperliberal gang of Democrats is absolutely allergic to the idea of PROFILING anybody -- especially anybody who might be "Muslim" or a "person of color", so, the usefulness of a "no-fly" list is so degraded that it is little more than a pain in the ass to people who are not, and never have been terrorists!

 

Not that I have read. The process is classified. The ACLU is suing over the composition of this list.

 

A resident alien has the same gun rights you do. Citizenship is not a requirement. Form 4473 (the form you fill out to buy a gun) has a space for alien number. Due process is not just for citizens, but for anyone in the United States.

 

I've checked around on the net and I've found an article about a federal judge expressing well more than a doubt regarding the process of composition of the US no-fly list.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/451080/judge-rules-federal-nofly-list-violates-constitution

If this is the context, that no-fly list is really something to consider with doubt.

I go back to the comparison with the Italian situation: at least a judicial mechanism [with the involvement of a judge or a court] must be introduced in the process of composition of that no-fly list.