Should statutary rape victims be forced to pay child support?

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  1. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    Now that Alabama banned abortion, the Liberal mob is out in force. What kind of Law denies rape victims their rights?

    Unfortunately since the 1993 Hermesmann vs. Seyer ruling, male victims of statutory rape are obligated to pay child support for 18 years.

    Perhaps this is the time for our Society to reconsider.
     
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    the rapist should not keep custody of the child
     
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    A better question is “should a statutory rape victim be forced to carry the rapists child to term?
     
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    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    Of course many women and men are in arms over Alabama law.

    But it is every man's legal right and ethical duty to support male victims.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Donor

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    I believe yes, but it should be reduced based on factors of age (both of the perpetrator and 'victim') and the particular circumstances of the case.

    Situations that look more like rape, it should be reduced to almost nothing, whereas situations that look like the woman was practically doing the male a favor, and the male wasn't that much underage, it should be nearly as much as the standard support payments are.

    Basically the child support payment should (in very loose general terms) sort of be inversely proportional to the amount of punishment that the woman gets.
    Well, in an ideal world at least.

    On the other hand, I really think it's a bad idea to financially incentivize anyone to accuse someone else of rape.
    So maybe the factors that the judge should consider should only include things that the male cannot lie about, such as age and, yes, physical attractiveness difference between the pair.
     
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    "Practically doing the male a favor" seems like a murky baseline especially since a young boy could like the rape at the time and not understand the long term emotional damage that may have caused.

    "sort of be inversely proportional to the amount of punishment that the woman gets."

    In doing that one would have to factor in how women on average get far more lenient punishments
     
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    And yet there are right wing members of this very forum who have openly posted that the 11 year old was at fault because she had sex with the grandfather. One member has even gone so far as to argue there is no such thing as statutory rape
     
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    Many strange things can be found on the Internet.

    Kansas Supreme court decided that male victims of statutory rape must pay child support for 18 years.
     
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    Still not at the same impact as forcing an eleven year old to bear a baby when she is not physically developed enough to do so. If one is wrong then the other must be too
     
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    Perhaps so. But 18 year obligation is still an excessive penalty for being a victim of a crime.
     
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    Statitory rape is code for consential sex with someone who was technically underage.

    If a 15 year old kid has consential sex, even if the law says he's not old enough, and gets someone pregnant, he shouldn't get to use the fact that he was underage at the time to get out of his responsibility to his child.
     
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    I don't think it's really a competition. Why can't we just... not force rape victims to pay for their rapist's child, nor carry their child to term.

    Seems like a pretty reasonable compromise to me.
     
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    Sadly too many people in modern Western World are eager to punish a male victim of a crime.

    This makes Western Societies far more sexist then any Muslim Society.
     
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    I have been to Iraq, Qatar, KSA, Morocco, Indonesia.

    Trust me, Muslim societies are on a different level of sexism. It is not even a valid comparison. Like comparing the Pee Wee under 12s D category basketball team to the US Dream Team.
     
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    Is the baby at fault in the case of a rape? Is the baby responsible for how they were created? Or are they innocent?
     
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    These sticky situations are why our grandparents used to keep girls on a very tight leash. Dates were chaperoned, suitors meticulously gone over with a fine tooth comb concerning family, social status, education, and intentions regarding the future of the relationship.

    If you do your job right, there are no statutory rapes.
     
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    The parents of the victim should have the option of keeping the baby or putting the baby up for adoption. The rapist should be in prison in most cases.
     
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    We're talking about statutory rape, yes?

    I dunno... I'm rather old school I guess.The age of consent is so arbitrary that I can't get with it. If a girl has yet to enter puberty, that's one thing. A 17 year old with a 20 year old is statutory rape, but I've seen far too many long-term relationships like that over the years.

    I'd say the victim is the girl who didn't have any support from her family. The baby is a victim too, but that's why our forefathers invented the shotgun wedding.
     
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    I'm pretty dispassionate on abortion. Subsidies and late term, partial birth are the only real objections I have. It does seem like the disparities between a womans choice, and a father's obligation should be addressed. I think we could see a debate over whether abortion should be a joint decision. Medical technology is rapidly advancing, and viable fetuses won't require a mother's participation at all soon. The question then could be about a mother's child support obligations.
     
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    I was just pointing out that "statutory rape" should not automatically excuse child support (or at least all child support).

    The boy did make a decision, even if he was not at an age to be the most responsible. The male is the father, it's his offspring.
    Somebody needs to take care of the boy. The woman (even though she's largely to blame) may not be in a position to easily financially take care of the child all by herself.

    I see the point, it's not really fair for the male to be on the hook for paying the regular child support amount, but I do believe he should pay at least some.
     
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    This assumes a person who has sex with someone else has a responsibility for the financial consequences of another person deciding to carry an unintended pregnancy to term.

    Consent to sex is not consent to carrying an unintended pregnancy to term. The responsibility for that decision lies with the one who made it.
     
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    No, but if you are going to start claiming that someone shouldn't be responsibility for a child because they were underage then you also have to apply that to fathers as well. So if a 18 year old gets gets pregnant with a 17 year old boy's child, in a state where 17 is considered underage, than the father would have no legal responsibilities.

    That is what the OP was talking about. It had nothing to do with the right to abort a pregnancy. The OP was claiming that if a person is underage at the time of conception, they should no requirement to pay child support or other responsbilities to the child or it's mother.
     
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    Good post. My take is that no one who does not consent to the creation of a child (carrying an unintended pregnancy to term) should be responsible for for that child.

    The one who made the unilateral decision bears responsibility for that decision. It would be a violation of the Rule of law - one person is not to be punished for the actions of another - to punish someone who did not make the decision responsible for the financial consequences of that decision.

    It is also an anathema to "equal justice" under the law. The woman has the ability to avoid the financial consequences of an unintended pregnancy where the man does not.
     
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    This rule of law is applicable regardless of age in this instance.

    1) one person is not to be punished for the actions of another
    2) Equal justice under the Law.

    No person should have to be responsible for the financial consequences of the unilateral decision of another. In this case the unilateral decision to carry an unintended pregnancy to term.

    In addition .. the woman has the ability to avoid the financial consequences of an unintended pregnancy where the man does not. This is not equal justice .
     
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    Action was taken on both the part of the underage male and the woman.

    You think the male shouldn't have any responsible at all just because he was 15 or 16 at the time.
     
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