Should the deployment of U.S. Military Forces Be "an easy decision?"

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  1. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    The War Powers Act is widely considered to be unconstitutional.
     
  2. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    I did not say the Constitution was an anachronism. I said Declarations of War were. And they are.
     
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    If you think that declarations of war aren't part of the Constitution, you need to do your homework. They're covered. Not sure how you possibly could have missed that part of the Constitution. It isn't exactly hidden or anything. Please stop pretending. Declarations of war are part of the Constitution. If you are calling them and an anachronism, you are calling that part of the Constitution an anachronism. I understand the desire to avoid these facts, but they remain facts.
     
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    Who cares if they're part of the Constitution. So were slaves counting as 3/5ths of a person.

    I'm saying that basically NO NATION in the world declares war anymore. So the concept is an anachronism.
     
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    I appreciate your admission that you don't care about the Constitution. I do. I'm sorry if that offends you . . . as it apparently does. Keep believing that the Constitution is an anachronism. I disagree. But I appreciate the transparency.
     
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    You're lying about what I said.
     
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    You said that declarations of war don't matter. That's part of the Constitution. If you don't care about declarations of war, you don't care about the Constitution. Make up your mind. Don't call people liars for accurately reporting your comments. As adorable as it is, it is disingenuous.
     
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    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    By whom? And, why?
     
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    Not what he's talking about here. In this instance he has a lot of people advising him to strike Iran. It would, in his opinion be easy to go with that advice, and much harder to stand against it.
     
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    How do you know?
     
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    In your opinion, why is Iran a threat to us?
     
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    I was not making a judgement on this particular situation because I do not know enough about this particular situation. Go back and read what you responded to.
     
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    Every U.S. president since it was passed. It is an unconstitutional infringement on the presidents authority as commander in chief.
     
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    It is part of the constitution. And declarations of war are a modern day anachronism just like the classifying slaves as 3/5ths a person is. This is because nations no longer make "declarations of war". This has no bearing on my feelings about the Constitution as a whole. Just that in regards to the part about "declaring war" it is a part of the past that has no relevance today.

    Do you understand?
     
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    "If" only I'd seen the word "if" in there, I might have avoided this embarrassment. Thanks.
     
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    But, they all obey it. It's an extension of the Congressional responsibility to declare war, suited for the deployment of U.S. forces abroad without full scale war. Repeal it and Congress would have to declare war more often in defense of our national interests. It's a way of extending Congressional oversight in the post WW II era.
     
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    Because it makes no sense in any other context.
     
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    You need to listen more carefully to him. It was in the vein of "we're the strongest country in the world militarily, of course it would be an easy decision."
     
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    No they don't. Clinton never sought any kind of congressional approval for the longest bombing campaign by the U.S. since the Vietnam War.
     
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    You have an interesting method of handling the truth. If you don't like it you just ignore it or deflect it.. Clinton? Longest bombing campaign since Vietnam? I think those deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan under George W. Bush would disagree.

    Congress flocked to The War Powers Act because it abrogated their Constitutional duty of declaring war and surrendered it to the Executive Branch. Congress has one unshakable belief, nobody gets blamed for not making a decision.
     
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    Not a big Clinton fan and never voted for him, but it was done under the auspices of our membership in NATO. I believe the NATO justification was to stop the Serbian atrocities against Kosovo. Who was killing whom, when, where and in what numbers was and still is a little vague. Whether or not that was done "easily" or with a great deal of thought, I have no idea. The subject of the thread is not whether or not military interventions are "legal" or not, but whether the decisions leading to them are "easy decisions" or "difficult ones." I contend that the decision to deploy U.S. forces into combat should ALWAYS be difficult ones. Not sure what argument you are trying to make?
    I don't believe any President has "recognized" the War Powers Act, but as stated, they adhere to it.
    Wikipedia tells me that Clinton withdrew from the bombing campaign some 12 days before he was required, by the War Powers Act, to go to Congress for an authorizing resolution.
     
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    I was referring to the "longest bombing campaign since Vietnam up to that time". And the point still stands. President Clinton never asked for the approval of Congress via the War Powers Act or any other measure.

    Case closed.
     
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    I did you didn't you assume **** because you don't like Trump.
     
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    :lol:
     
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    No he wasn't, America was not at war with Germany until after Peal Harbour. Do a little research before you post.
     

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