Should the Liberty Bell leave Philadelphia?

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Should the Liberty Bell leave Philadelphia?

Poll closed May 13, 2020.
  1. YES

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  2. NO

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  3. Rotate it around America on display

    27.3%
  4. Put it at the Smithsonian Museum

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  5. Put it at the National Archive since founding documents are there

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you have not seen the Liberty Bell, see it after lunch at Philadelphia. Google directions.
    I live in CA so seeing such things in any Eastern state means the lines at the TSA, hours in the air, and rental vehicles and so forth. But many of you live there where going to Philadelphia only means hopping a train or driving your car. Question today is should the bell be moved to a location that actually appreciates it?
     
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    Locations are just locations. They are geographical points. They DO NOT doing any appreciating.

    If you are asking if the bell should be moved to where there are more people who "appreciate" it...where is that place?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I forgot to add an article.

    https://www.dennisprager.com/should-the-liberty-bell-leave-philadelphia/

    Due to limits on cut and paste from articles, let this show what Philadelphia is up to.

    But the English department at the University of Pennsylvania, dominated as it is by those who equate Western civilization with “white supremacy” (aka leftists), voted to remove the Shakespeare portrait. As reported in The Daily Pennsylvanian, the university’s student newspaper, “The English Department voted to relocate and replace the portrait … in order to represent a more diverse range of writers, according to an emailed statement from (Department Chair Jed) Esty, who declined to be interviewed.”

    A few years later, in December 2016, students took down the portrait.

    In its place they put up a portrait of Audre Lorde, a black feminist lesbian poet who died in 1992.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    See the poll.

    Prager has a good but long article supporting taking out of Philadelphia the bell and putting it where the local population appreciates what it means. The poll includes some suggested sites.
     
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    Why not move the original constitution to someplace it can be truly appreciated while you are at it?
     
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    That would be expensive and probably dangerous for the Bell

    It's right in the midst of its own unique historical context, the Bell is rather symbolic for REVOLUTIONARY America. America from 1776 to 1797. For the early National Period not so much, though it's still important.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is a shame that citizens can see it only by going to DC and spending time at the Archives.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Philadelphia may put the Bell in a storage out of sight. Philadelphia is moving in that direction. The article gives more details.
     
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    I saw the poll...but that does not answer my question.

    Where are there "more people" who appreciate it?

    No reason to suppose that we out here on the East Coast do not appreciate it as much as people from any other place...and we have lots of people.
     
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    My poll suggests some options. Such as the Smithsonian. I have been there and the buildings are something today like 14 buildings. But then there is the national archives. Philadelphia is slow walking out of that city valuable historical things. Did you happen to read the Prager Article? I had to choose what to post from the Article. I wish I could have posted the entire article.

    I am not saying other eastern cities would not appreciate it or western cities as well.

    San Francisco has several outstanding museums that could display it. Why keep it in Philadelphia?

    When I was in Philadelphia and saw the Liberty Bell, i had to stand in security lines. And frankly the Bell is a lot smaller than i thought it was since photos of it do not show the measurements.

     
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    I truly do not appreciate the question of where are there more people?

    It suggests i have the answer. And it conditions it on people appreciating the bell.

    I was not trying to make those cases.

    Also I made no issue with who appreciates the bell. I did not specify a place that wants it nor enjoys it.

    As it now stands, I think of it like the Grand Canyon. One will never move the Canyon to where it is appreciated. It won't get moved to other cities.So long as the bell is where it is, it runs the risk of the citizens of Philadelphia simply putting it into some basement out of sight.

    But the Bell is not huge. And Philadelphia people there are dismissing history as we speak. I suggested DC which also is thousands of miles from me. I could have said move it to San Francisco so we can see it for years. I rather gave the option to rotate it from city to city.
     
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    More on Philadelphia

    https://www.dennisprager.com/should-the-liberty-bell-leave-philadelphia/

    Most musicians are on the left, but Nezet-Seguin makes it more obvious than most. In a recent concert, the Philadelphia Orchestra featured the premiere of Philadelphia Voices, “a political rant put to musical garbage,” as some Philadelphians associated with the orchestra described it to me. In the fifth movement, named “My House Is Full of Black People,” the black teen narrator chants: “The county is full of black people/ All wanting to be heard/ While old white men draw lines on maps/ To shut all of them up.” Later in the movement, he yells, “If you would all just f—ing listen!”

    And this year, the Philadelphia Flyers hockey team removed the statue of American singer Kate Smith that the team had erected in 1987. Her rendition of “God Bless America” was played at every Flyers home game since 9/11, and she herself sang it for the Flyers in the 1970s. But last month, the team learned that Smith had sung a song with racist lyrics — “That’s Why Darkies Were Born” — in 1931. That Paul Robeson, the great black singer — and enthusiastic supporter of Josef Stalin — also recorded the song doesn’t matter. To the Flyers (and New York Yankees), Smith’s whiteness undid all the good she did for America.

    Will Philadelphia next remove the Liberty Bell? After all, it was commissioned by slave owners and inscribed with a verse from the Bible.
     
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    Wonder if they can put the Lincoln memorial statue on wheels?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have been at that statue. Imagine the wheels it would need. Actually a good trucking firm could clearly move it.
     
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    Maybe they can replace it with a statue of Muhammed.
     
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    I believe that is haram.
     
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    yasureoktoo Banned

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    He is already on the supreme court building.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Frankly Democrats probably discuss this in the House of Representatives. Democrats speak against Christians but seem quite smitten with Islam.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It might take 25 years but the way Democrats operate,. I expect them to remove Lincoln from his monument in DC and replace him with Martin Luther King.
     
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    Yes he was a significant historic law giver and deserves a place in that pantheon of same on the building.
     
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    Actually that is what was thought, of course his bio. wasn't translated into English until 1955, so nobody really had a clue.
    It wouldn't happen today.
     
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    Philadelphia and DC are close anyway, 2 hrs 30 min or so. Moving the Bell farther seems risky (but what do I know about moving bells? Nada).
     
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    Another meaningless artifact of a dead nation. Who cares.
     

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