Should the US Supreme Court end race-based affirmative action in university admissions?

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    smart white/Asian kids who are denied acceptance merely because of their color
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    again your posts seem incapable of understanding that such a decision has NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE
     
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  3. Overitall

    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're confusing qualifications based on talent with that of skin color (race). The answer is not the same. It's puzzling why you can't see the difference.
     
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  4. Lil Mike

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    I don't think it's puzzling at all. She believes in racial discrimination if she perceives a benefit to BIPOC folks.
     
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  5. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    The right seems to get tunnel vision when thinking about race. It seems that is all they can see and other facts are discarded.
    Universities prioritize admissions to their needs. Some priorities may be talent, financial (rich foreign students) and other priorities may involve its social makeup (legacy admissions). Are Americans being treated unfairly because the university can get more money out of foreign students? But if a university wants a more diverse campus it is suddenly being “racist” according to the right, when in fact it is choosing what it thinks are in its best interest and the right doesn’t seem to like increased diversity so they build a wall of rationalizations.
     
  6. Overitall

    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's a possible reason for the confusion in basic concepts the person has. I just don't understand how someone, I assume, having gone through even the rudimentary education of grades 1 - 6 does not know the difference between talent and racial considerations.
     
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  7. Overitall

    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yea, unlike the left, most on the right aren't interested in redefining terms to fit with their ideology.
     
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  8. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    She does know but it's not a consideration.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am surprised sports and schools are still tied together as one

    but you are correct, both would be wrong, both should be judged on the same entrance exams, etc....

    but those are rich schools, most schools today let anyone in.... if they can pay
     
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  10. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Another thoughtful response.
    Rationalizing again? What term did I redefine or is that what you are doing? You only bring up unfair treatment (discrimination) when race is involved, but universities have chosen many other priorities that don't involve race yet they are not discriminatory(?), that in itself is racist.
     
  11. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    ....or play basketball and both are not wrong. A pure meritocracy is not always optimal.
     
  12. Overitall

    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You redefined the legal term of discrimination to fit with your argument regarding talent. There's no Constitutional argument for universities decriminating on the basis of qualifications.
     
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  13. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Tunnel vision continues. No one is being discriminated against. There is no difference between a university prioritizing rich foreigners, ball players or underserved minorities if they want. They are all categories the university feels it needs. No race is being treated unjustly.....except, of course, for the ever put upon, victimized right.
     
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  14. Overitall

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    You clearly are confused. There are laws (based on the Constitution) that speaks to the types of discrimination forbidden. Talent (which you brought up previously and again here) is not on the list. When it comes to racial discrimination the laws don't specify the race, but it exists in the minds of some/many people that it's specifically referring to POC, because they were discriminated against in the past. The laws forbids racial discrimination period. I've got news for you - white/caucasian is a race.
     
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  15. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Can you cite any who have had this kind of discrimination against them PROVEN?
     
  16. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for repeating yourself. I am quite clear on the law and first one must prove discrimination....that is the issue, there is none.
     
  17. Overitall

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    I have no idea what you're going on about. Do you?
     
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    Well, there is this landmark case.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/ricci-v-destefano-reverse-discrimination-case-2834828

    This was a case of reverse discrimination, which the the firefighters won.
     
  19. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    You made that obvious.
     
  20. Overitall

    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yea, I thought it was obvious you didn't know what you were talking about.
     
  21. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Petty comments aside, it is indeed a controversial issue, I made my case and all some can see is race and not the larger ethical issues involved. We'll just have to let the court decide.
     
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    I'm left with the feeling that Edna believes discrimination against brilliant white kids is A-ok as so long as kids who are of color and of less intelligence/less qualifications get admitted first.
     
  23. Overitall

    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I accept your concession. I was starting to get bored anyways. ;)
     
  24. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Do you think the same thing about legacy admissions and star athletes?
     
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  25. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Hardly a concession, read it again....but things were getting petty.
     

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