Should we get out of the Middle East?

He gassed his own citizens. You do know about international law forbidding that right? If we don’t do something to an animal like that it will only continue

 

Or their so called oppressors. Even during the beginning of our nation Islam called our country infidels they used it as reasons and excuses to steal our trade ships and the goods onboard along with enslaving their crews. You can read all about it in the book titled “Thomas Jefferson And The Tripoli Pirates”.

but hey… it’s justified cause it’s in their religion right? And does that not sound like an oppressive religion?

 

Ok, so, what did MSM and Internet tell you about the DNC book? You have a quote? I ask, because you are talking about "DNC book" as if you are some kind of expert, but I don't know what you are talking about.

 

What people don’t seem to understand is that middle eastern nations have been in our business long before we were in theirs. They were literally THE REASON we developed a Navi. They brought us into their affairs by attacking ours and they always will. It’s completely and utterly naive and moronic to think otherwise

 

You didn't post a link - nor is it stated what is being measured - which you need to post from that link.

I am talking "Total Military Spending" - all in - the VA - Spook agencies - Dark projects - the whole gravy train .. start to finish .. and am probably leaving out alot of stuff.

While the war in Iraq officially began in 2003 - the war on "Terror" after 911. but like I said a few years is not going to make a difference - as your calculation is ridiculously low. We spent near 2 Trillion just on the Spy Agency over the last 20 years - if you include the "Dark Project" budget. - the current spend is 130- Billion per year.

So Either the Brown U folks and the Military Times are moron's - or you are misreading the information given you .. the latter being the likely case - that or lack of understanding of context.

"Total" Military spending - 2000 was rougly 300 Billion. Under Bush this spending topped 900 - under Obama over 1 Trillion.

Had we maintained 2000 spend levels - (increasing with inflation) - 10 x more than enough to secure the homeland but - we could have diverted 500 Billion/year over 16 years = 8 Trillion - to the aformentioned infrasturcture - technology .. education.

Under Trump - Spending went to over 1.2 Trillion. -- so 4 more years x 500 Billion and you get your 10 Billion over the last 20 years .. thanks to the "War on Terror" ...

 

I could tell you don't know what I'm talking about.

 

We need to start being an honest broker or stop pretending we somehow are. In otherwords, we need to be a real leader or get the hell out. Biden is not showing any sort of leadership. He is trying to do as little as possible and pretending he is doing something.

 

The US
Exactly what interest does the US have in the ME? It certainly isn't oil.

 

Because of the wrong we did to the Jews following WW2 when they started returning back to their home (Israel). Israel has no oil that I'm aware of.

 

Is the world's infrastructure prepared to handle alternative energies? Hardly and no one is really pushing for the transformation.

 

No US there the region is a much different place, maybe better and maybe not.

 

What I want is for other countries to share the load. America cannot continue to carry the load financially unless we want to collapse the way the Soviet Union did.

 

I provided my sources. You can Google if you like and if not,.....well, too bad. And yes, my numbers included VA + other expenses related to veterans.

I knew you'd say to TRILLIONS spent on "dark projects and spook agencies", without providing any kind of
source or proof. Also, you seemed to admit you included "total military spending", as if we would have spend zero on military if it weren't for the wars.

Believe what you wish.

 

Just cause we can get it here? Biden is trying to stop digging here along with many democrats. Middle eastern oil is still in our interest not only for us but for the stability of the global market.

without a stable supply coming out of the Middle East prices would soar. Even with just a hint of turbulence they will go up. Iran disrupted oil supply’s throughout history before we showed up. Other countries hired our navy to escort their oil tankers and it progressively got worse from their mainly because of iran.

Trust me, our presence there is an economic advantage

 

No one does, because you just threw in the "DNC playbook" line out of the blue without even mentioning what it about. It's what people say when they have no argument.

Lets back-track....... You were complaining about being a victim of white male persecution, and I said I never experienced anything like that (because I haven't), so you threw in the "DNC Playbook" line. Am I supposed to lie and claim that the dncs persecute me on daily bases?

 

I'm sure Europeans would be happy to take over in exchange of getting the Euro to be the new petro-currency. Of course at that point we would have no point in staying, and they would take over 100%. The problem is that our economy would sink into a depression.

It might happen anyway, because Saudis sense that US is not very committed in staying in the area and holding their end of the petrodollar deal, and if/when we pull out of ME, they might start trading oil in Euros, Yuans, Rubles etc, which will put an end to the petro-dollar arrangement. When it happens, nations will no longer need USD to buy oil, and they will get rid of their UDS reserves.

 

There is no way to check your numbers - as you did not provide a link to your source. You are supposed to post from your source - something that backs up your claim - which you did not do.

Your claim that you provided a Source" is laughable nonsense on steroids - you clearly do not know what providing a source means .. not by forum policy and not by any academic standard.

I told you we spend 130 Trillion per year - you want back up ..

Here is how you provide a source https://fas.org/irp/budget/ 81.5 Billion - 2018 - just like I told you..

and for the infamous "Black Budget" https://www.wired.com/2012/02/pentagons-black-budget/
See for Yourself: The Pentagon's $51 Billion 'Black' Budget

Now you see what presenting a source looks like..

Your claim of 2 Trillion is 1) unsupported 2) Demonstrably false

 

She has to, otherwise, she will regret it.

 

You can tell whatever lies you choose.

 

Not possible? It took me 10 seconds to look it up again by Googling "the cost of Iraq war". I gave you a list of sources and they all came up with the same numbers.

I am not seeking your agreement on the matter. You are free to believe anything you want. Whatever gets you through the night. And no, you have not provided a link to show we spend 10 trillion.

The Iraq War has cost the US nearly $2 trillion
https://www.militarytimes.com/opini...e-iraq-war-has-cost-the-us-nearly-2-trillion/

US taxpayers have reportedly paid an average of $8,000 each and over $2 trillion total for the Iraq war alone
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-taxpayers-spent-8000-each-2-trillion-iraq-war-study-2020-2

 

So, you are calling me a liar because I told you that I am not victimized like you are (or pretend to be).

Calling someone a liar for no reason is a quick and easy way to end the conversation.

Go play the victim with someone else. Such weakness turns me off.

 

The US did nothing wrong about the Jews. But on the contrary. US soldiers saved Jews from annihilation by the Nazis. The Jews owe America something, not the other way around.

 

Your line where you mentioned lies:

"....you threw in the "DNC Playbook" line. Am I supposed to lie and claim that the dncs persecute me on daily bases?"

I just said you were free to choose your own lies. I didn't call you a liar

 

They are pushing for it. There is no doubt about that.

Also, certain factions in US are pushing back (fighting against it).

Alternative energies are coming.

 

Dude .. you can come up with any number you like on "Google" - and since you have yet to figure out what the total costs include - so you can figure out what the stuff you read is referring to - you have no clue where your number fits into reality.

Capesce ? I gave you the figures just for the intelligence and Dark Project Budget .. we are not just talking directly military related costs here .. nor just Iraq - we have Yugoslavia - Yeman - Syria - Libya - happening in the same time period .. we are talking "The war on Terror" not just one isolated piece of the puzzle .. that you are desperately trying to put forward as the whole pie.

Capesce ?