Should we get out of the Middle East?

The isolationist in me wants us out of there. But it's not realistic to be an isolationist. If we don't stabilize the Middle East Europe will look to Russia for patrol chemicals.

Nothing will change the dependence on petroleum. It is the lifeblood of economy like it or not. The Middle East sits upon two large of a natural resource for us not to have anything to do with them. It's why we were involved with them this time around in the first place. It was an effort to destabilize the Soviet Union this is reminiscent of the Cold War.

With parts of Europe looking to Russia for petrochemical products it may actually reignite the Cold War. So we need to be in the Middle East brokering peace. Lest we swap out a rather insignificant enemy for a significant one.

 

This is what you're not being told:

Turkey and Saudi Arabia wanted to grab a part of Syria, so when Assad was winning the battle against the terrorists outside of Damascus, the terrorists with the help of the Saudi's and Turkey, conducted a false flag chemical attack to get the Americans to bomb Damascus.

Before the false flag attack, the truck with the chemical components was stopped at the Turkish border. By the time Fidan, the head of Turkish Intelligence could tell the guards to let the truck go through, Gulens newspaper Zaman got a whiff of it. Erdogan's opposition then brought it up at their parliament, so there was no way our government didn't know that it was a false flag attack.

Damascus at the time was packed with Christian refugees trying to escape the slaughter by ISIS. Had Damascus been bombed, and the terrorists allowed to enter the city, it would have turned into the biggest massacre in history. Not that it mattered to Washington of course. The important thing to Obama was to get rid of Assad and break up Syria.

The Syrians throughout the world were going crazy trying to stop the American bombing, and the Pope finally reached out to Vladimir Putin for help. Putin took samples of the chemicals and found that they were not in Assad's arsenal. They sent the results to Britain and the government panicked, so they told Obama not to bomb or they would fall.

To stop Obama who was furious that he couldn't bomb the Syrians under Assad's protection, Putin decided to eliminate all the chemicals from Syria - which Russia did with China's help and which was inspected and verified by the UN inspectors.

In the second false flag chemical attack, Assad's army was again beating the terrorists, so the terrorists wanted Washington to bomb the Syrian army. This meant they had to conduct another false flag chemical attack, which the White Helmets did with Britain's help. The Americans did bomb with help from France and Britain. It was just another criminal and illegal act by our government similar to the bombing of Belgrade and invading and destroying Iraq and Libya.

 

That does not seem to be true. Besides, I didn't google for any specific number, I Googled for the cost of the war and got the same numbers from multiple sources. Your $10 trillion number is still MIA, and that's fine.

I specifically said included military operations + other expenses.

Your number went from $10 trillion to what......$51 billion. Nuff said.

Thanks for playing.

Back to topic.

 

That’s nothing more than a conspiracy theory

 

Trust you? Why? What countries hired our navy to protect their tankers? I didn't know our navy was for hire?

 

Even if the world wanted to convert to new technology it just isn't there. And what is available is just too expensive. I would like to see nuclear power make a comeback but we know oil companies closed that door long ago.

 

Because apparently I know history better than you.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-05-31-mn-9193-story.html?_amp=true

 

I somewhat agree. I would just be nervous on where they want to locate it

 

I encourage you all to read “the twilight war” it goes through all of this

 

Russia? ...

 

It is the agreement between the Saudis and the US, so yes.....our Navy is for hire.

 

Check your history following WW2 when Jews started returning to their homeland. Returning WW2 pilots were threatened with loss of US citizenship if they went to help the Jews fight the Arabs. Israel's war of Independence. I'm really surprised you aren't aware of this war considering you seem to know so much about what the US did for Jews in concentration camps.

Israel's War of Independence (1947-1949)

https://mfa.gov.il/mfa/aboutisrael/history/pages/israels war of independence - 1947 - 1949.aspx

 

What a joke of a post - you did not produce any numbers that reflected the Total Cost of the War on Terror - you cherry picked certain aspects of the war - and tried to present it as the Total Cost .. a complete falsehood.

Then falsely state that my number went from 10 Trillion to 51 Billion - another complete falsehood.

I laugh in your general direction.

 

The newer nuclear power technology can be located anywhere as it does not need a large body of water to cool the reactors. They use a jell like substance.

 

I have a lot I can learn on this topic. I’m sure this still creates some sort of nuclear waste does it not? How many of these would it take to power our nation?

 

Oh, ok, - he-he-he-he

Have a nice day.

 

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The U.S. is the world's reserve currency. If other countries who at times bridle against our control can figure another way to settle international payments, we'll see a drop in the dollar's value.

Who the hell would trust China? Won't happen. Europeans might like the Euro, but it isn't stable enough so they've been working in alternatives.

My reply you quoted was to the idea we're the only western country involved in the Middle East.

 

Glad you find your own jokes funny - rolling on the ground laughing - unable to deal with the reality - that your position was crucified .. your claim that The Total Military Spend on the "War on Terror" was 2 Trillion turned out to be demonstrably false .. and all you could respond with was Strawman - had to make up a falsehood because your position was busted.

so you have good day too .. but do get up off the floor and stop slobbering over yourself - that the war spend was much larger than your 2 Trillion suggestion is not going to end the world for you ... I hope not -at least.

 

Interesting read. Thanks.

 

The new generation nuclear power is so efficient it can burn the waste that is stockpiled. Your last question is beyond my technical knowledge.

 

We are the reserve currency because Saudis and OPEC agreed to trade oil in USD. All countries need reserves of USD in order to buy oil, and we agreed to defend Saudis if need be, because that is our end of the deal. Many people think the only reason we attacked Iraq was the fact that they decided to stop trading oil in USD.

 

Saying "that's laughable" does not demonstrate anything, and neither does anything else you have said, so if you crucified something/anything, its your own fake claim about $10 trillion price tag.

 

WE should not be fighting anyone unless it is in direct retaliation for an attack against the US.

WE should be building a coalition of nations.

WE should force the United Nations and NATO to take the lead.

The US should be nothing more than a coalition member although the US must always demand resolution as necessary.

The US going it alone is failed governance...

 

I've already read some of your comments and even though we seem to disagree on some Middle East issues, I'd like to welcome you to this forum.
I thoroughly believe that mature adults can disagree on such a volatile topic as Middle East events and do so civilly and respectfully.

I began paying attention to Mid-East events during the '67 War when Israel deliberately attacked America's USS Liberty just about 2 years before I went into America's military (U.S. Army). After returning from Laos, I was assigned to an Airborne Rapid Deployment Unit whose mission was to defend Israel if necessary. I began to get an idea of the influence that AIPAC, JINSA, the ADL and similar Israeli / Zionist lobbies had over America's Mid East policy making.

After being discharged from the Army, I lived worked and studied in what was then W. Germany until my interest in archeology sent me to Greece, Turkey and the Islamic Mid East where I walked and hitch-hiked by myself for 10 - 11 months and was lucky enough to enjoy the overwhelming hospitality from my many Arab hosts.

At the time (1973), my hosts, his friends and family were fascinated with anything American: American cars, American music, American movies. etc.

Inevitably, politics came up and the two questions I was most frequently asked were: "Why do Americans suddenly hate us?" and "Why does America help the Israelis kill Palestinians and steal their land.
They couldn't understand how such clever Americans be so easily manipulated by Israeli lobbies and our pro Israel MSM(1) nor can I.

As luck would have it, I had planned to see Israel, Egypt etc but the " '73 War" broke out while I was in S. Lebanon at a Palestinian refugee camp. It was there where I got to see the true impact of what Palestine's native residents had been through at the hands of ruthless Zionist terrorist gangs whose atrocities rivaled anything done in WW 2.

The title of this thread is: "Should we get out of the Middle East". Regrettably, America's mission there has primarily to make the region safer for Israeli regional hegemony and enable Israel's ethnic cleansing agenda.

America's unconditional support of each and every act of aggression has made so that there is no reason for Israel to abide by international law and / or form a just and durable peace with the Palestinians. AIPAC etc will make sure that Israel will get its yearly $ Billions regardless of what Israel does.

If America does stay in the Middle East it should be to help bring about an equitable Mid East policy, not to station American troops in Israel where they are expected to "die for Israel"(2)

Thanks and once again, welcome.



(1) “Studies continually show strong pro-Israel bias in western media”
http://www.middleeasteye.net/column...trong-pro-israel-bias-western-media-881718416

EXCERPT “Mainstream western media outlets are, by and large, infused with a pro-Israeli ideological bias that colors nearly all mainstream Western reporting on Israel-Palestine." CONTINUED


(2) "Top US General Says American Troops Should Be Ready To Die For Israel"
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...ys-american-troops-should-be-ready-die-israel

 

Not just oil. There is no stable, widely acceptable replacement for the US$.

We screwed up.