Should we respect Biblical marriage?

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  1. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    So the Christians often speak of preserving the institution of marriage, but which part?

    Shouldn't we respect the right of the elders to murder those women who have lost their virginity before marriage?

    I would hope they hold every part of the Bible as valid.
     
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    Domestic and family law 101.. Marriage is contract between two people..
     
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    Why? What has the Old Testament to do with Christianity?
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Christians use it selectively.
     
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    Iolo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    More fool them.
     
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    None of these points have ever been addressed.
     
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    Respect Christian marriage as per bible

    Doesnt one have to at least respect the bible, or christians before trying to respect both and their ideas of marriage too?
     
  8. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Wouldn't Christians need to respect marriage before asking anyone else to do it?

    Picking and choosing is hardly impressive.
     
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    Presentation of the facts must be clear. If I go and spend the time to fact check this, am I going to find any of this stuff out of context?

    Facts are the Bible was written by men, and has been translated several times. I suspect the wisdom was lost in translation in many instances by corrupted third parties. So I take the OT with a pretty big grain of salt in a lot of areas. NT? Not so much, but still in some areas.

    But as long as we're jabbing at religions, should we respect Islamic marriage as well? Hindu?
     
  10. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Fact check whatever you wish, there is enough evil (*)(*)(*)(*) in the Bible to make my mockeries routine and easy.

    Neither Muslims nor Hindus are attempting to legislate their religion, however Christians are. Most notably denying a social minority basic human rights because homosexuality rails against Christianity (supposedly, I can't find anything concrete, but thats what most Christians believe).

    So if the sanctity of marriage should be protected, should the bit I posted be protected as well?

    Or can we get choosey if we want?
     
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    Woman marrying her rapist is out of context...sort of. It depends on whether or not she was betrothed to another. This picture also doesn't tell anything about him not being able to "put her away" all the days of his life.

    Brother marrying widow is out of context, because it only refers to a specific instance in the bible. And this guy was killed for pulling out after wards.

    Brother marrying his brother's widow? This is optional, not mandatory. It is seen as a duty of the brother to do so which he may refuse, but eat social stigma for not doing so. Also, the best chapter to more accurately describe this situation is Chapter 25.

    Polygamy and concubines? Well this part they probably got right. But I didn't fact check it.

    Didn't bother with the rest, but I'd be surprised if they were in context as well. This picture is anti-Christian propaganda taken largely out of context with the simple intent to create anti-Christian sentiment... *yawn*.
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Nope.

    Simply a literal reading of the Bible. Why use apologetic excuses if the literal reading is so easy to come by? lol
     
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    10 commandments relevant to many christians?
     
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    As is Genesis, Sodom and Gomorrah, etc.

    Its just the embarrassing bits, like stoning your own children to death, they ignore.
     
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    Apologetic excuses? Where? What do I have to be sorry about? The picture was cherry picked garbage.

    Come on now, you know exactly what context means and why it should be quoted appropriately.
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    It seems pretty straight forward:

    Deuteronomy 22:28-29

    New International Version (NIV)

    28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
     
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    The picture tells a slightly different, and misleading story. Most propaganda does though.

    But then again, I read and adhere to the KJV.
     
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    The picture claims that a rapist is to marry his victim.
    The scripture claims that a rapist is to marry his victim.

    I fail to see a difference.
     
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    I wasn't referring only to the rapist part. Although that has slightly misrepresented as well.
     
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    It really is a typical argument. They can use anything they want in the bible to make something legal, but some of those things that are in the bible they cant make legal. If marriage is such a holy institution than why do we have divorce? I understand the importance of the bible, if you believe in the content or not, the book is very important though history. I do however believe that it is now out dated. People who "Preach the world of god" dont exactly follow them to the T. So why follow them at all?
     
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    Silence heretic!!

    Jesting aside, the bible in many instances calls these people hypocrites, and doesn't have many kind things to say about hypocrisy. Hardly the fault of the bible.
     
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    The male/female part silly.
     
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    We are now in a period where gay marriage is becoming more accepted and soon I hope that the bias will be completely lifted and marriage will be open to all and in every State. But the Christian view of the institute of marriage is limited in power because of the separation of Church and State. My first marriage happened in a public park and with a Judge presiding over the ceremony... nothing Christian about that.

    So some Christians can try to force feed us their morality... but more and more that is becoming a losing fight... as it should be. Obviously we are a Democracy and not a monotheocracy.
     
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    Fixed it for you.
     
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    Do not misquote me again. You may rectify your mistake if you desire.
     

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