Sigmund Ivarsson's Petra Project for Israel, Jordan and The Palestinians.

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I certainly can't argue with this logic!



    http://wikimapia.org/11302609/Official-Residence-of-Palestinian-Ambassador-to-Japan
    Official Residence of Palestinian Ambassador to Japan (Tokyo)

    Sigmund Ivarsson (guest)

    This idea could also begin the process of offsetting the imminent collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet?!
     
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    The joke is that the Red Sea channel to the Dead Sea will leave Venice on dry land.. It is a joke.. The channel is not going to alter sea water levels... antarctic shelf or no, Why call it the Petra Project?

    Hivarsson is an idiot.

    Israel tried to stop this project because it would bring a certain prosperity to Jordan ... They would get hydro electric generated power and the double benefit of a hydro electrically driven desalinated water.. and Jordan desperately needs water.. Israeli mismanagement of the Jordan Basin since 1967 has lowered the water table and caused the destruction of the Dead Sea.
     
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    Sigmund Ivarsson may well be a genius!

    He is suggesting that by supporting the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple Jordanian leaders could convince Israeli politicians to reverse their position and let this project go through!

    I asked Sigmund if he would support a project to move the remains of Rabbi Nachman from Uman, Ukraine to Israel and he responded:

    This reply from Sigmund is either brilliant........ or inspired...… or both........ because the agreement of Islamic officials to support the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple could well be the factor that convinces Israel to support this win, win, win, win initiative.

    Venice being on dry land would be worth it if we could create a buffer zone that would prevent somewhere between twenty to eighty million climate change refugees in Bangladesh alone from losing their homes!

    Or.... some sort of sea wall to keep the sea in... .could be built around Venice which would be much less expensive than trying to keep oceans out of New Orleans, the Netherlands, parts of Florida and 143,000 acres of especially vulnerable land along Canada's Bay of Fundy!
     
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    Sigmund's Petra Project could be the lowest cost way to address.....

    http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...t-work-fast-enough-address-wais-collapse.html

    A carbon tax will NOT work fast enough to address WAIS collapse.



    A tax on carbon will take centuries to address the real issues associated with the impending collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet!


    http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015...antarctic-ice-sheet-raise-sea-levels-3-meters
    Just a nudge could collapse West Antarctic Ice Sheet, raise sea levels 3 meters




    We need to be researching and discussing options that can work much faster!

    Every cubic meter of ocean water that is desalinated and added to the water table of North Africa or Qatar of Jordan or Israel...... will NOT be putting pressure on the oceans to overflow New Orleans, Bangladesh, The Netherlands and parts of Florida!

    Japanese engineers don't merely design good cars!

    http://www.ssb-foundation.com
    Sahara Solar Breeder Foundation
     
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    Hey.... this could perhaps explain what was shown to near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley about the future of the Middle East!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/middl...-peace-deal-between-jordan-israel-coming.html

    Near death experiencer shown peace deal between Jordan and Israel is coming.



    I read both of Dannion Brinkley's books about his two near death experiences back in the '90's.


    ……



    Dannion Brinkley:
    All that ocean water for desalination projects being piped to the Dead Sea area could TURN THE NATION OF JORDAN GREEN!!!!!!!!!

    http://saharaforestproject.com/projects/jordan.html

    And Sigmund is correct...… this may be the only way to get the leaders of Jordan to agree to.... the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple!
     
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    Sorry, Ivarsson is an idiot. Wants to rebuild the Temple ... are you kidding me?

    The Bay of Fundy won't change, Venice won't dry up.. I never saw such dumb pseudo science in one place.
     
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    My own personal opinion of the earliest possible rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple...… (that is within the will of G-d)........ is that this would set in motion a series of events that would bring peace to the Middle East..... and cause an astonishing boom in the world economy.

    I believe that the theory put forward by the writer here is the most logical..... The Islamic Waqf was probably working on a plan to destroy a significant part of the Temple Mount so that Ezekiel chapter 40 to 48 could not be fulfilled.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/141937#.Vwec0LXNhy0

    Huge Jordanian Generators Sighted on Temple Mount

    (January 25, 2011)

    Personally..... I believe that a miracle took place three days later when........

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIoHE6P8gOk
    ALL 6 VIDEOS - Temple Mount UFO OVNI Jerusalem, January 2011 PROOF

    (January 28, 2011).... when a UFO appeared and foiled the Waqf's plans!

    ...… I agree with near death experiencer Christian Andreason that aliens with UFO technology can indeed be on a mission from the G-d of Abraham/ HaShem/ YHWH to prevent disasters...........and wars........


    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/
     
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    Sigmund Ivarsson:


    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1003351/pg1
    The Petra Project. Clean energy.

    Great explanation!

    Wow!

    and when asked...."where will the salt water go?"

    Sigmund replied.....
     
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    It has already been noticed how effectively water can be used to increase cooperation between Israel and the P. A.


    Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article24765472.html#storylink=cpy

    ........

    There is another document that I believe has the potential to fit in with The Petra Project.

    http://www.godspeaceplan.blogspot.ca/2014/07/gods-peace-plan-for-holy-land-peace.html

    .......

    .....
     
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    Dennis, I've examined this proposal and feel it is viable from an engineering standpoint, but ecologically it might be out of sequence.

    Our species needs to get control of itself for its own longest term interests. The logical sequence meeting needs is; Peace, pollution and conservation. Then something much closer to the exact amounts of water and energy that is needed will be known.

    In order to create peace, justice and the purpose of free speech need restoration. Realistically, our lawful and peaceful revolution is the first priority.
     
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    I can understand why you might be worried about this and wonder if this might not do more harm than good......
    but... what if the trend that we are already seeing in Russia and Europe comes to America as well...?????

    What if Israel becomes the safest nation in the world for people who are Jewish??????

    If that happens....... then an agreement that makes room for more Jewish immigrants to Israel seems
    like a win - win - win scenario to me?!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=391591&page=6&p=1066096961#post1066096961

    Could G-d be planning another Exodus? But this time from the USA????

    This sounds almost too astonishing to be true…. but…….. beginning in 2012 I have ran into a theory on this that would fit strangely well with what happened in France last week?!

    I don't know if he is a near death experiencer or OBE'r or not…. but Pastor Shane Warren was given some sort of visionary dream of a hurricane of money……… of USA one dollar bills…. that he understood to mean a serious devaluation of the dollar???!

    The important part in this video is from about the fifteen minute mark to the twenty minute point.

    http://sidroth.org/television/tv-arc...warren-america
    At the seventeen minute mark in this video Messianic Jewish visionary David Herzog states that he was shown that during a time of economic crisis in the USA a segment of the population would blame Israel……… as well as Jews living in America…. and American Jews would be forced to flee from the United State…… and go to Israel. Apparently many of them would choose a route through Canada?!?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QLsDpTpJXc
    David Herzog on It's Supernatural with Sid Roth - Glory Zone

    Even one percent of a population….. who believes that violence is justified……….. and who hate another group of people and blame their own problems on that group of people……… can make life very difficult for an easily identified ethnic group?????!
    .............

    Sigmund has proposed a seventy kilometer tunnel.......
    from Tel Aviv to the Dead Sea......
    nine meters in diameter.....
    produce hydro-electric power at the Dead Sea.....
    ... desalinate the water on a large scale such as is already being done by....
    The Sahara Solar Breeder Project
    The Sahara Forest Project.....
    .... which fits well with the Jordanian version of Permaculture led by Geoff Lawton Ph. D.......

    Margot2...... am I a total idiot to be seeing this as pretty much a win - win - win - win win- scenario for Israel.... .for Jordanians..... and for Palestinians!!!!!!!!?
     
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    Well..........
    at least this idea will help to slow down the evaporation of the Dead Sea!

    Note.... Sigmund's idea of a tunnel from Tel Aviv to the Dead Sea has advantages over this other plan......
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-jordan-pa-agree-to-build-red-sea-dead-sea-link/

    Israel, Jordan, PA agree to build Red Sea-Dead Sea link

    ........
     
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    I do have an alternative proposal in mind.......
    that I think has some advantages over Sigmund's idea for a tunnel.........


    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=371794&page=2&p=1066112143#post1066112143

    Thread: My two somewhat humorous submissions for $25 million Virgin Earth Challenge.
    ......

    - - - Updated - - -

    ChristopherABrown.... I will deeply appreciate your taking a quick look at the alternate proposal to Sigmund's tunnel that I just wrote up........ it is right here in post #14....
     
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    Here is a post that I made on a large group about the Temple.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/108413109365671/permalink/185132091693772/
    EWAO

     
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    Watch this video.......
    and see if you still feel the same way?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTJ_E5YCbGY
    Antichrist Exposed! | End Time Antichrist System
     
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    The amount of water flowing thru a 10 foot diameter pipe 45 miles long wouldn't flow enough water to even keep up with evaporation and ANY tectonic shifting would collapse the pipe rendering it worthless. An astronomical cost producing little to no result until it was rendered worthless.

    There are valid reasons why every time this project is suggested it is rejected.
     
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    There are other foolishness reasons. For example, it would NOT make a fresh water body, but a salt water body. The Dead Sea is not only extremely salty, but has massive amounts of undissolved accumulated salt - and the same problem of the water being trapped that made the Dead Sea so salty would still exist. As a result, this would not be agricultural use water, but rather flooding huge areas of land with salt water, rendering it useless - basically covering the land in many feet of liquid herbicide and pesticide - ie salt water.

    What do YOU think happens if you fill a salt pit with fresh water?
     
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    The Red Sea to Dead Sea channel has a tremendous fall rate that could drive a power plant and desalinate water.

    One reason to refill the Dead Sea.. or try to is to stabilize the shrinking water table in the Jordan Basin.

    Take a look at the project and tell me what you think.
     
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    Is this the one you mean Margot2?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_Peace_initiative

    Valley of Peace initiative
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     

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