Sin is the cure that kills you.

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  1. bricklayer

    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Pride is a very specific ignorance. Pride is ignorance of one's own subjectivity. Pride necessitated sin.

    If all one knows is good, that one cannot distinguish between degrees of goodness. Pride, the ignorance of one's own subjectivity, extends from an ignorance of evil. So, how does a God who can only do good, who can only create good, also reveal evil? The solution was genius. God gave us a law to break so that when we broke it, when we sinned, our eyes would be opened, and we would know both good and evil.

    The devil never sinned because he was never given a law to break. Consequently, evil remains unrevealed to him; and even though he has become the very personification of evil, he is left to believe that he is as good as God. We were well on our way to the same fate as is evidenced by the fact that we sinned before we were sinners. One can say that the devil has from the beginning, and to this very day, tried to get from sin-by-proxy what we got from sin directly - the knowledge of both good and evil.

    God can, and did, take upon Himself our penalty for sin, but what God cannot do is take upon Himself our ignorance of what He is not. Good is what God is; evil is what God is not. God reveals both good and evil because anything, even God, is revealed just as much by what it is not as it is by what it is.

    So you see, sin was not the beginning of our problems; it was the beginning of the solution.
     
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    Remember kids, if you don’t sin, then jesus died for nothing.
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Human life does not begin at conception or birth. Human life began with God's creation of Adam and is continued through conceptions and births. God created one human flesh in Adam. All human bodies have come from that one human flesh. All human bodies are composed of human flesh. God created one human spirit in Adam. All human souls have come from that one human spirit. All human souls are composed of human spirit. Human spirit died in Adam and Eve. All human beings conceived of a man and a woman were conceived with living human flesh and dead human spirit. We are each conceived with living bodies and dead souls. We're conceived already dead. That's why we need to be "born again".

    Remember kids, "while we were still enemies of God, Jesus died for us."
     
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    ECA Well-Known Member

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    Which god are you referring to? Ra? Ganesha? Zeus? To whom are you referring to?
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    is that why God pulled an Andrea Yates and drown all the his children on earth, and save only one boatload - to learn about evil?

    just think, we wouldn't have the rainbow if God did not commit such evil... God is the greatest, everyone says so, biggly
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're going to have to do a lot more reading if you can't discern the answer to your question from the context. I can't take the time to remediate your knowledge of the relevant texts.

    On the other hand, you're lying. That may be a bit harsh, but it's true. You're pretending to misunderstand. That's called an obfuscation. It's one of the first polemics we learn as children. It is, quite literally, a childish argument; however, it is extremely telling. Unfortunately, it doesn't say anything good about adults who still resort to it.
     
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    There are thousands of gods, I’m just trying to understand which one you’re referring to. If you can’t handle that then that’s on you.
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some people are walking, talking examples of God's grace, mercy and wisdom. Other people are examples of God's patience with the objects of His wrath. God has written into me great preferences as to what role my character plays in God's revelation of good and evil. Others couldn't care less, and that's probably just as well.
     
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    This guy should stick to laying bricks......
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Doubling down on your obfuscation? Can't construct an adult polemic? Need to look up the word 'polemic"?

    One of the worst things that can happen to a man is that he gets to thinking that he's better than other men.
    You make that hard not to do.
     
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    Prove it.
     
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    Is the question too difficult for you? I thought it was a pretty straight forward question but apparently not for you.
     
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    Trump fits that description.... but he is a Christian and believes in God

    some Christians say he is the chosen one
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Proof is an inference. I can imply to you, but I cannot infer for you.
     
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    Neither can you reasonably infer it for yourself, as you don't have the evidence for it. However, I have evidence against it, if you're interested.
     
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    They will never name their God.
     
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    No doubt he believes his god is the only god. All those other god are made up. Not his though. His is real.
     
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