Smokin! "Don't Run! You'll Die Tired!"

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  1. Tobaccoroad

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    This one's for Chris Stephens.
    Amazing, zip has an AP news report this AM stating that the CIA Benghazi Station Chief reported back to DC within 24 hours of the event that the Benghazi Attack was terrorist fomented. But still 'Bam persisted with his Mohammed video "Big Lie" even unto the moment in the second debate when 'Bam resorted to another patented "Big Lie" to deflect Mitt Romney's Benghazi assault and the Big Rock Candy Mountain felt compelled to jump in to throw a block and run interference for 'Bam's "Big Lie" allowing the Chicago Jesus to get away unscathed.

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/10/19/friday-morning-war-porn-17/
     
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    allegoricalfact Well-Known Member

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    Tobacco ........ I begin to think that Politics is just your excuse to post snuff movies all over the net .......
     
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    I think the phrase is...used by Special Forces and other combat units~

    "You can run, but you'll only die tired"

    Yeah "war porn"...plenty of it around, never understood the perverse pleasure some folks get from the suffering of others on a video clip; even if it's bad guys.

    Neutralizing the enemy is required in war more often than not, but a level of professionalism should exist also...avoid degrading it into something along the lines of
    "he sure blowed up good" and uploading to social media where civilians get their vicarious jollies watching it.
     
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    I admit, I do not watch it, I detest it. And I am not watching this one either. Hell, I do not even watch "War Movies", unless they are of the historical variety (Saving Private Ryan, The Pacific, Full Metal Jacket, Band Of Brothers). And I find it very disturbing when people insist I "have to watch this clip", only to see it is some guy getting blown away.

    And it would not surprise me that the vast majority of people who watch and get off on this type of thing are civilians. Most of those I know in the military can't stand this type of thing. All to many of us only need to close our eyes to see it, we certainly do not want to be reminded of it in RL.
     
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    I am glad I scrolled through the posts first, video does not sound like something I would want to watch. I agree that people watching real violence for pleasure is very disturbing. I have a hard enough time watching fictional movies that are very graphic and portray real life events. I had heard very good reviews of The Pacific but couldn't make it through the series, I found it to be heart wrenching and I am not a fan of torturing myself with such emotions.
     
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    Well, for me such a series is very deeply personal. One grandfather served in the Navy in the Pacific during WWII, and a lot of my family (including 1 uncle and 3 cousins as well as myself) served in the Marines. I do not care for the violence myself, but view this (as well as Flags Of Our Fathers and Letters from Iwo Jima) as part of history, and since WWII in the Pacific is one of my favorite eras as very enlightening.

    But if you had problems watching The Pacific, do not watch the less well known part of Flags Of Our Fathers, Letters From Iwo Jima. It is much more disturbing then the more well known US telling. But it is still an awesome movie, and tells it from a perspective most never realize existed.
     
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    That is one of the reasons why I found The Pacific harder to watch than say Saving Private Ryan, both my grandfathers were there one Navy, one Marine. My grandfather that was in the Navy would talk about his experiences there sometimes, but my other grandfather never spoke about it to anyone in the family besides my elder brother who became a marine.

    Saving Private Ryan's opening scene was intense and very graphic but it was one scene. The Pacific had equally graphic scenes in every episode which was just to much for me. If Flag's of our Father's and Letters from Iwo Jima are as graphic, I thank you kindly for the heads up and will steer clear of those films. I like the historical aspect but personally prefer to read about intense battle scenes rather than endure such graphic visuals.

    Have you ever been to the Marine Corp. museum in Quantico? I thought they did a great job on the whole place, it has some really nice Pacific WWII exhibits.
     
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    Neither of my grandfathers ever talked about the war. I found out years after they had died that my dad's father was an MP in Europe, and primarily worked on the Red Ball Express.

    My mom's father was in the Navy, on the USS Suwannee. I had known he was in the Navy, but it was not until after he died that I found out more from my grandmother. She told me his best friend was killed in one of the kamakaze attacks during the Taffy convoy (about 7 years ago the History Channel did a great special on Taffy 3, he was in Taffy 1). And that his ship was one of those preparing for Operation Olympic.
     
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    Allied aircraft strafed and bombed retreating Iraqi soldiers on the road between Kuwait City and Basra, north of Kuwait City...in what is known as "The Mile of Death." This occured in late February, 1991. A group of DVs, (distinguished visitors) i.e. general/flag officers wanted to see it from the air. So at the time I was on a Lear 35 crew and flew them from a base in Saudi Arabia over the area. That was enough carnage for me, can't imagine what it looked like from the ground for those guys assigned to grave detail. Most of the bodies were carbonized and the smell lingered over the area...we could smell it almost before we were on scene.

    Movies like Saving Private Ryan and Flags of Our Fathers depict an accurate visual representation of the combat experience; however one thing missing is the other senses which are effected...how incredibly loud war is, and the smells of it. I could imagine the rotting bodies in the warm tropical heat, during these island hopping campaigns...was a smell these soldiers and Marines will never forget.

    War should never be regarded as entertainment, and that's the main issue I have with youtube video postings and other social media...it's one thing to depict an historical representaion of events in a film, it's another to see gun camera footage trivializing the death of another human being for no other reason than pureile debasement.
     

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