So after 100 thousand Americans have died, we know whose fault all of this is.

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    The CDC should have done Trump's job and prepared the country, the WHO should have done Trump's job, Congress, the CIA, Obama, Cuomo, China, Biden, the press...

    It's all their fault. They didn't do Trump's job like they were supposed to. And that's why we are where we are. It's everybody's fault. Everybody carries part of the blame for the 100 thousand Americans dead (so far). Everybody except Trump, of course.

    But the question is, who will do Trump's job from now on? Obviously he can't be held responsible for anything.

    So knowing that... now what? Who will do Trump's job from now on? Hurricane season starts next month. And according to the NOAA, it's going to be an active one. Nancy better get cracking, because if there is a major hurricane, a botched response is going to be her fault. Her and Biden, of course.

    We need to start preparing, because now we know that the 10 year old in the White House is going to be of little use when the next emergency strikes.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Donor

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    That is their job. Not all of them, of course.

    I have been in leadership positions a few times. Nothing even close to on the order of president, obviously. However, you count on your people to keep you advised because it is impossible for one person to do it all. That is why they have staffs and why the president has literally thousands of people working for him in the WH. You can claim that the president should do it all, but that is not even close to reasonable and I am sure you are intelligent enough to already know this. It is easier just to claim that Trump should have figured it out it all by himself. No one will believe you, but what the heck, if you haven't got a better argument, go for it.
     
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    Sooooooo . . . Trump was supposed to prevent a pandemic by some means that escaped all the other leaders of all other nations? Meh . . . at least the Dem governor Cuomo and Dem mayor De Blassio did far better with their efforts than Trump . . . oh wait . . . no they are responsible for a vast number of deaths. I mean if Trump is directly responsible then all the Dem leaders screwing up their handling of this crisis to the tune of so very many dead bodies is on them.
     
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    That's the point. Now they're going to have to do Trump's job.

    I prefer it when a President's job is done by a President. One who uses advisors for advise. But that's the reality while this idiot is technically President*
     
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    I don't know if "prevent". But certainly react!

    He didn't!

    That's the best defense Trump loyalists can come up with. "He's only as lousy as Bolsonaro!"

    What escaped China, South Korea or Italy should not have escaped the U.S. Why? Because we saw it in China, South Korea and Italy!

    Mayors and Governors do not have a CDC or a Health Department to order around, Only Trump does!

    What am I saying! Of course! The governors and Mayors should have done Trump's job! That's exactly the point of the thread. Everybody needs to be doing Trump's job, because Trump is an incompetent nincompoop who cannot be expected to do it himself!
     
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    Since you are apparently totally ignorant about how a large organization operates, I will give you an example.

    I had a number of jobs in the Air Force, but my primary duties were as a weather forecaster and I gave numerous formal weather briefings to the commander and his staff.

    The commander was not expected to unilaterally know that a storm was heading our way. That was my job. If a major storm hit the facility and the commander was caught off guard, that was on me, not on him. Occasionally storms developed rapidly and it caught everyone off guard. We usually did a lot of investigation to determine whether we should have anticipated it.

    It was my job to keep him informed because of his numerous responsibilities and duties, knowing when he should be concerned about the weather was only one small part.

    This is no different than what Trump faced. He has people who are supposed to keep him informed. However, even those people whose job is to keep him informed were caught off guard. That should tell even the dullest bulb in the room, that it was an unexpected event. If the Chinese had spoke up earlier, it might have been different, but for whatever reason, they chose not to.
     
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    But once he's told, he's not supposed to wait almost two months to tell everybody else and declare an emergency.
     
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    Orange man bad! Wahhhhhhhh!!!!!
     
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    So what's your record as an armchair quarterback?
     
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    It is his staff's job to tell him that this is actually a threat. Apparently no one did that. These so called experts were also caught off guard.
     
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    From what I have seen (quotes from Trump's people) they were not caught off guard, but Trump was unable to put a plan in action based on their input. Why? He is afraid of responsibility. So the input simply languished waiting for someone to pick up the ball and run with it.
     
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    You gotta admit that if your entire point consists of Orange Man Bad then anything can be twisted to support that premise . . . especially if all of the 'facts' consist of things collected by anti-Trump media propaganda outlets that have little if any connection to reality.
     
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    Ha! And you want to claim they didn't. They advised him to say that it was "nothing". And that it was "under control"?

    Again: you have zero self-respect.

    This thread is for Trump loyalists to list everybody who should have done Trump's job for him! So his staff.... who else?
     
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    Link? I have seen nothing that any of his advisors thought this was going to be a problem.
     
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    I did not realize that the function of the staff was so hard to understand. It is their job to keep the boss informed. Not the other way around.

    I have zero respect for you.

    I knew it was my responsibility to keep the boss informed, not the other way around.
     
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    What the hell? Every single expert thought this was going to be a problem. Hell! Countries were working double shift on vaccines! Airlines were suspending flights. Countries were shutting down and working on tests... or doing tests!

    What kind of idiots do you think Trump surrounds himself with that they don't even read the papers?
     
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    Oh my gosh, 0.03% of the population died, representing 3.55% of the people who normally die every year.(2017 numbers)
     
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    Trump suspended flights early from China and what did you say?
     
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    WAAAAYCIST!!!!
     
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    Oh! Buhuhu! What do you care if somebody grandmother died, right?

    Some of these guys make me sick!
     
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    I said what for? Airlines had already suspended them?
     
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    Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump's trade adviser Peter Navarro fired off an internal flare at the White House in late January, warning in a memo that the coronavirus could become a "full-blown pandemic," risking trillions of dollars in economic losses and the health of millions, a source familiar with the memo confirmed to CNN.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/07/politics/peter-navarro-warned-white-house-coronavirus-nyt/index.html
     
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    Why do you exaggerate. "Every single expert thought this was going to be a problem" I am still looking for the single expert.

    It you have a case, exaggeration should not be necessary.
     
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    I’m mad that Trump didn’t shoot a force field out of his ass, and prevent a deadly new virus that originated in China, and where the Chinese government suppressed any valuable information about the virus until it spread around the globe like wildfire.
    Threads like this remind me that stupid be are going to be stupid.
     
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    Trade advisor? We have a trade advisor giving medical advise? I am sure that got a lot of attention at the time.
     

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