So you think you're safe because you're not old? ...Wrong!

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    That link has nothing to do with Coronavirus.

    It's very telling that you would think that it did. Looks like Evolution is yet another area you are completely clueless about. No wonder you wouldn't answer the question.
     
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    Well, we don’t really have a choice. Viruses drive our evolution no matter who’s president or how we feel about him/her or our loved ones. Our only choice is to rail against the process or marvel at it.

    Why would you ask that? How is that relevant to a virus’s role in the evolutionary process?

    Comments like yours here and numerous others over the last couple weeks prompted me to read up on current research on the irrationality of moral superiority. It’s fascinating and I’ve been floating the concept in another thread by introducing the idea not going to the grocery store is morally superior to going with a mask. Well, I’ve certainly seen irrational responses to that idea. :)

    To keep things brief, I’ll just add one researcher made the observation irrational moral superiority leads to increased risk of violence.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    What nonsense are you saying? Do you have even the most remote idea of how Evolution works? Or what it is?

    The fact that viruses had a hand in the evolution of the Human Species as it is now, does not in any way shape or form imply that they will have any effect in any future evolution of the Human Species.

    This statement I just made is only schematically accurate, because what you are saying is so insane. It doesn't even make sense to speak about Evolution in the future.

    It is immensely more likely that a pandemic will completely obliterate the human race, than it is that it will make us "evolve" (even under your SciFi channel level understanding of evolution) into another species.
     
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    Of course it does. Corona virus is a virus! Or are you one of those conspiracy theorist who believe this is a manufactured virus unlike any we’ve seen and has magical super powers that allow it to defy all previous knowledge of how viruses impact the biological organisms they infect? You think when proteins known to interact with viruses come in contact with SARS-CoV-2 they say “oh crap, we can’t interact with this virus because @Golem didn’t see it listed in a link”?

    LOL

    I asked you to read the link because it answers your question. Apparently you know so little about the subject you weren’t able to absorb the information.

    The short answer is it will make us better suited for survival as a species. Same as previous ones did. If you want more details, get someone you trust to explain the content of my link to you.
     
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    He read this book:

    https://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statistics-Darrell-Huff/dp/0393310728
     
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    557 Well-Known Member

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    You are embarrassing yourself. Please educate yourself a bit.
    Evolve into another species? LOL

    Here’s a public service announcement. In spite of overwhelming and increasing evidence to the contrary at the molecular and phenotypic level, evolution in humans has ceased—on @Golem’s order. There will be no more. He’s not allowing it. :)
     
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    Yes!!!!

    "Evolution" the term as used in the article you reference, refers to gradual genetic changes in the gene pool that ultimately lead to the appearance of new species. Not only does this refer to changes in the genetic pool (not in individuals) but it means deep changes as they have ultimately led to different species.

    I ask again: what did you think "Evolution" meant?
     
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    ~ Statements like this are so ridiculous that it is almost comical - until you realize these folks are serious ! :ashamed: `:disbelief:
     
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    Yes! Dead serious! And you guys are the only ones who haven't noticed. Mind you... I'm not saying he's doing it on purpose. He wouldn't have the brains for that. He's doing it out of pure incompetence.
     
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    Only one strike tonight golem. You are out. You are referring to speciation. Evolution can lead to speciation but isn’t a given.

    I have no interest in discussing science with you. Nothing personal, I’m just weary of having to educate instead of discussing interesting topics like the link I provided.

    Have a good evening.
     
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    But that is what the term "Evolution" as used in the article you reference, is talking about!!!

    The article you referenced has nothing to do with evolution IN humans. Protein adaptation is not evolution. You completely confused two different concepts mentioned in the article. One is how pandemics, through protein adaptation helped in the Evolution that ultimately ended in the appearance of the human species. A different one is how protein adaptation helps us survive each pandemic as compared to how it helps other species.... and other similar topics. It has absolutely nothing to do with some "inevitable future evolution" that you seem to keep referencing.
     
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    Inconsequential?? They are the primary reason that this epidemic was able to gain any ground. They are the ones who said this virus was not capable of transferring from animal to Human. Even after Chinese doctors knew of the spread potential, WHO stated on January 14th “no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus.”. They are the ones who didn't list this as a public health emergency until January 30th to which President Trump issued a Travel ban on January 31st, the very next day. It wasn't until March 11th that WHO issues the COVID-19 was a pandemic, well after China was inundated and under stringent lock down protocols.

    For you to sit here and say WHO's action were inconsequential to us only shows your absolute infection of unadulterated TDS!
     
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    I can only hope!
     
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    :phonecall: ~ Everything you always wanted to know about the China virus - but were afraid to ask .
     
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    90% of Americans will get the virus, the best time to get the virus is when the medical system is not overloaded

    for those on unemployment, better to get it now then when one returns to work unless there will be a really good sick time plan
     
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    ~ It seems more likely many in the U.S. have already had the Wuhan flu .
     
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    agree, I think it came here late last year, but the Trump admin is hiding that from us as they think it will make Trump look bad

    not knowing all the facts means our models could be all wrong

    while Trump was telling the people 15 going on zero, thousands and thousands were already infected
     
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    this admin lied to the people and said masks do not work when they had a shortage and wanted to save them for medical personnel

    so are they lying now and saying they do work because they want to get people back to work

    what are people supposed to believe from this administration?
     
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    Nothing.

    That is why it is absolutely imperative that Trump be defeated.
     
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    seeing Trump and some of his supporters, I think evolution is moving in the wrong direction, did we really elect a reality tv star as President?

     
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    ~ We have to use our own common sense and depend on no one source . Look at the goof in charge of the CDC. The WHO is influenced by China - as is the U.N..
    I am guessing another 3 months and the "experts" will change their recommendation once again. They will likely want to quarantine the elderly and infirm , will establish guidelines for nursing homes and the rest of us will be "allowed" to go maskless.
    ~ There is evidence it was in Wuhan as early as October. Satellite data shows a big jump in activity at the hospital in October and November. Admissions for pneumonia and respiratory illnesses were way up. Mortuary and cremation records show a spike also .
     
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    I think many in my State had it around Christmas

    I think some of the states with low cases now and before had it late last year... if so, that really does change the models - could be only the highly populated States are most at risk of overloading hospitals
     
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    ~ Apparently the only ones who actually did know what was happening was China and Taiwan. Taiwan tried to warn WHO, which in turn ignored Taiwan at China's favor. Several doctors in Wuhan warned their associates but the CCP silenced them. One died. Two others disappeared. One resurfaced later to renounce her warning about the virus.
    If the U.S. government does not take on the CCP head first over this that will indicate China is the new boss. Then we all lose.
     
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    You do? Well I would recommend you try a vasectomy first, instead of getting yourself infected with coronavirus. It's safer.

    Just a suggestion....
     
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    Precisely. You understand mathematics and you understand the games that the fake news smear merchants are playing with it. That's why they ignore the raw numbers and their trends (which are suspect in their own regard, but I digress) and instead use language such as "spiked", "doubled", "50% increase", etc...
     

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