Socialism or Capitalism

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Socialism or Capitalism?

  1. Socialism

    8 vote(s)
    21.1%
  2. Capitalism

    30 vote(s)
    78.9%
  1. Texan

    Texan Well-Known Member

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    This isn't about Republican and Democrat. Which system of government do you think is best for the future of America.
     
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    As comrade Marx one said, Communism is only possible in a highly developed, highly industrialized country. Unlike Russia at the time, btw, which was 80-90% agrarian.

    So, the US of A are "ripe" and ready for the transformation towards Communism (Socialism is only the transition between Capitalism and Communism, mind you). :lol:
     
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    Socialism (Communism) and Capitalism are one and the same.
     
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    Capitalism is another word for freedom and self-responsibility. What is more American than this?
     
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    Capitalism, although I'd add that a third options is popular right now: mercantilism. It is form a economic nationalism that doesn't acknowledge that trade is not a zero-sum game. It treats exports as a gain and imports as a loss, mischaracterizing trade deficits as actual, monetary deficits, favoring tariffs. And it generally involves a short-sighted view of economics: complaints of specific "jobs going overseas" without stopping to examine our total number of jobs.

    This is the economic philosophy that capitalism specifically arose to combat by demonstrating that trade creates wealth for both sides and advocating for fewer government restrictions on free trade.
     
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    Capitalism has provided the most wealth for the most people in history. I dont see how socialism can do the same thing. But most likely we will develop another way of doing things over time to replace our current system.
     
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    Combination is best for any country, going for extreme capitalism or socialism is bad.
     
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    One can not work without the other
     
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    Socialism is not best for the future of ANYWHERE, EVER. That is an inconvenient fact often lost on democrats.
     
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    socialism..
     
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    Our Pledge of Allegiance was written by Francis Julius Bellamy a lifelong Democratic Socialist!!
     
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    Socialism is a socio-economic system that encourages and breeds parasites that suck a living off of other people, and the government that holds us all together as a country. The only country I have ever seen a variety of 'socialistic' system actually work pretty well is Germany, but the Millenials and Gen-Z'ers in Germany are rapidly becoming as worthless, directionless, and parasitic as those in nearly all of the other countries in the world....

    Is Socialism really just some kind of mass mental delusion, or is it just a mass 'laziness', or what? I've never really understood why anybody would just want to sit on their dead ass, do NOTHING useful for years at a time, and have somebody else provide them with some kind of shitty, little 'subsistence existence'....
     
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    both capitalism and socialism rob other people in one way or another.

    the Millenials and Gen-Z'ers appear to want a try of a different kind of robbery
     
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    Looking a the size of the debt, I have serious doubts whether EITHER system is what is best for the future.

    Capitalism leads to Oligarchies of the rich and socialism leads to dictatorships. The countries that are hybrids seem to be the most successful at this time.
    ALL systems can be tainted by corruption if the wrong people are put in charge.
     
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    It's just that we have plenty of everything - plenty of people, plenty of goods, plenty of infrastructure, etc, etc. For example, if you have stainless steel pots and pans, why would you bother buying new ones in the next 50 or 100 years? Or if a house lasts 200 years, soon there would an excess of houses. Unless there is a war or a natural disaster or a baby boom, there will be hardly any need for new houses.
    Let me quote an interesting passage of George Orwell's "1984".

    ;)
     
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    You're right... rich capitalists buy politicians to make sure that they get to keep lots of loopholes, shelters, exclusions, deductions, etc., in the United States Tax Code to make certain that they pay little or nothing in taxation on personal income! That is definitely a form of robbery!

    (Hint: the "tax bracket" someone is in means NOTHING. What's important is how much they actually PAY!)

    Many Socialists don't work, so they don't pay taxes at all, and therefore don't care about unfair taxation. But, they expect to be able to "stick their straw" in the government's glass, funded by taxpayers, and suck out as much as of the "goody" as possible. That, too, is a form of robbery.

    When America truly WAS "great", that is NOT the way we did things at all!
     
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    i think that President Trump can bring back fruitful labor, an honest days pay for an honest days work, and manage the sinful money changers who profit from socialism and capitalism on both sides.
     
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    I would like to be able to agree with you, but Trump's going to be fighting all these radical Democrats, AND, squishy-assed RINO "Repubicans", plus all the lobbyists for all the large groups of very wealthy, powerful people of BOTH political parties who do NOT want to see ANY changes in the U. S. Tax Code that would make them pay one penny more in taxation. Why would they when for decades most of them have paid little, or nothing in taxes?! I just don't believe he could ever be successful in changing things for the better so long as he's has all these enemies trying to wreck everything he does to improve the economic situation for middle-class, taxpaying Americans.

    But, Socialists? They just want more and more, of more and more. They have the mission and the focus of a leech... very simple, very direct. Nothing complicated about it. Just keep sucking and sucking, until there's nothing left to suck....

    Besides, even if a person did hold a regular job at one time, after he's gotten to lay around on his ass for several years, drawing government welfare of a dozen different kinds, he doesn't even WANT to have to go back to work!
     
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    agreed, they appear to have become radicalised into socialism because capitalism has failed them
     
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    Tightly regulated capitalism, with the power to use the 'corporate death penalty' - revocation of a corporation's charter and liquidation of its assets - in the hands of a jury. If corporations are people, they should be subject to execution like the rest of us...
     
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    It isn't a binary choice. All real systems are a hybrid of both. The question is, how much of each.

    And more than that, the question is specific to each case. Does a single-payer government insurer for health care make sense? Probably. Do we want the government buying up hospitals? Probably not. But the VA is basically socialist. And for the most part, the VA has a very successful history. It has had some big problems but also many millions of success stories.

    The point is, no one in the main stream is actually suggesting we should go full socialist. They are really talking about a few specific issues. Some so-called socialist solutions may make the most sense. And we have long recognized that government plays a critical role in society. It is all a matter of how much, and when?
     
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    this happens regularly, are you sure the best example of socialism in America would not work better privatized?

    do you have any skin in the game with the VA?

     
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    What about a mix of both?
     
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    1 vet was upset, so the whole thing is bad?
     
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