Socialized Health Care

Discussion in 'Health Care' started by Savitri Devi, Aug 31, 2012.

  1. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    That's the funny thing. Being Jewish yourself I'm sure you are familiar with the "self hating Jew." It sounds crazy to me, but a few years ago, on another forum, a guy I knew to be Jewish posted a link to a Neo Nazi blog to highlight some sort of anti Bush, anti Iraq war post. When I asked him why in the world he would ever post a link to a neo Nazi blog, he responded that he found it interesting. And I've noticed the past year white people using "white" as a pejorative. That's weird to me too. Self hating white people.

    But as to your original claim, you are stating that US tax dollars are earmarked to Israel's health care system. I would kind of like a source on that. And let's see if you can do it without linking to a Neo-Nazi blog.
     
  2. Not The Guardian

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    Boy...still lying huh? Got proof of that lie?

    Guys...lil Mike is a neocon. Or was, I'm not sure what he is anymore. Having "known" him for six or seven years he's morphed into someone his "friends" all agree isn't very nice or honest.

    In this case, his definition of self-hating Jew is one who's not a Zionist neocon. You know...like the majority of peace-loving Jews worldwide.
     
  3. Lil Mike

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    Still stalking me I see.

    Normally, since I have you on ignore, I don't see what you post here, only that you do post. But in this case I actually wanted to see what in the world your response would be to this particular post so I clicked it open. Reading the content, I can see I shouldn't have bothered.

    And if you are going to accuse me of lying, could you at least be specific what the lie is? Actually it doesn't matter, since I get to put you back on ignore! Sweet relief!
     
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    "anti Bush" isn't "anti semitic". Neither is "anti war". Did this blog post also contain threats or insults or the like against Jews in particular?
     
  5. Not The Guardian

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    Since you purport to have me on Ignore, I guess it doesn't matter, huh? But, since I know you're peeking in, I'm pretty sure you were referring to me. If you were, you are continuing your history of lying. Oh, and I'm not "stalking" you, as much as that upsets your egomania. I'm replying to a post.

    In lil MIke's mind, being "anti-Bush" is the same as being "anti-semitic".
     
  6. Lil Mike

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    This was a couple of years ago, but no, of course being anti Bush or anti war isn't antisemitic. That made it all the more odd to me. In the universe of blogs that were anti Bush and anti war, why go to a neo nazi one?
     
  7. drj90210

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    But these affairs DO involve the USA. Israel is one of our closest allies and we are giving them military aid in fighting a common evil enemy that wants to destroy BOTH Israel and the USA. What aren't you understanding here?

    Riiiiiiiigh. That's why that have made many concessions to the Palestinian people, and in return they get a hail of missles raining down on innocent civilians. Isreal is clearly the aggressor :roll:

    To call Israel, a nation that has shown more restraint than any country in history, the "greatest enemy to peace" shows that you fail to comprehend anything going on in the world today and that you are indeed living in a fantasy world.

    We give Israel a relatively small amount of aid compared to their GDP. This is another nonsensical comment.

    Show me proof of this. Until then, I will consider it yet another one of your baseless comments.
     
  8. Turin

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    I know quite a few people from Canada, and I have family that lives in the UK.


    To a person, every single one of them love their health care, and would never in their entire lives swap to an american style health care system.

    Every system has its problems. It always will. But the most humane systems are the ones that will give people access to to regardless of ability to pay.
     
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    Or, an even better solution.

    Lets make healthy good foods as easy to obtain and at the same prices as the unhealthy crap we eat.

    For example. Go google up "how many calories will a dollar buy"

    What you will see is that you can buy huge ammounts of calories ( cookies, chips, soda ) relativley cheap. Around 1200 calories for a dollar.


    But start using that dollar to buy healthy foods, your calorie count goes WAY WAY down quickly, and your food intakse also decreses dramatically.

    One dollarÂ’s worth of Coke has 447 calories, while $1 of iceberg lettuce has just 16.5. To look at it another way, you would have to spend about $5 to buy 2,000 calories at McDonaldÂ’s, $19 to buy 2,000 calories worth of canned tuna and $60 to buy 2,000 calories worth of lettuce.
     
  10. drj90210

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    That's the AMERICAN system. It is illegal for an emergency department in the USA to refrain from seeing a patient, regardless of the patient's ability to pay (e.g. the homeless) and regardless of how asinine the initial complaint is (e.g. male pattern baldness).
     
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    The most obvious thing that should be done (but of course isn't ) is placing restrictions on the use of food stamps. I think that it is ludicrous that the government essentially allows those on food stamps free reign to buy anything they want, including potato chips, pork rinds, chocolate, etc. Food stamps should ONLY be used to pay for healthy items, such as chicken breast and vegetables. Junk food and other nonessential food items should be eliminated from the possible items that can be purchased with food stamps. With nearly 47 million people on food stamps, this will undoubtedly help curb the obesity problem in a significant way.
     
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    What a strange one. You'd seriously allow bastardized, loop-hole crazed, corporate and inhuman forces to operate in Canada as private health insurance companies?

    Ban unhealthy activities? That's some seriously fascist and bigoted talk, which is surprising because your wording is rather eloquent, I mean you're not stupid.

    We're animals too y'know.
     
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    That's a fairly sane idea. Unfortunately it's just not the way America runs in my view. You'd be coming up against the junk food industry... big business. It would involve convincing people to eat healthily, and after however many decades of relentless McDonalds advertisements and conditioning, my guess is that it would send people into a frenzy.
     
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    But food stamps is a charity for those that would otherwise not be able to buy a sufficient amount of food to sustain their family. Hence, it should ONLY be for essential food items. I have nothing against fast food, but I just don't think those receiving a taxpayer-funded charity should be able to use that charity to pay for junk food, since such food is nonessential and unhealthy.
     
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    You're full of crap buddy.

    Israelis themselves acknowledge their health care plan as socialized medicine and the record clearly shows Romney praising it. Delusionals like you never want to admit to the truth but it's there for all the world to see.
     
  18. Lil Mike

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    You're proving my point. You said that:

    Romney praised Socialized Healthcare, therefore, "right wingers who plan on voting for him" must have no objection to socialized healthcare.


    That's a concept that could only make sense in lefty logic land.
     
  19. Mr_Truth

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    Judging by your avatar, it must be a reflection of your IQ. But we'll keep that a secret.
     
  20. Lil Mike

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    No come back other than a simple (and I do mean simple!) insult?

    I think my point about your fallacious logic stands!
     
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    Technically it is only illegal in some states, but yes, hospitals are effectively forced to do this because otherwise they lose out on Medicare reimbursements. But several hospitals have devised creative methods to partially circumvent these ridiculous obligations. For example, some for-profit hospitals divide themselves into two corporations so that out-of-pocket patients do not have to pay higher costs. But because of the Medicare price-fixing, Medicare patients end up paying the price through lower quality of care.

    And like I said, things have become so bad in some hospitals that they have stopped treating Medicare patients. The elderly must make the choice between paying out of pocket, or being able to use Medicare at an overcrowded hospital with worse medical care that is located much farther away.

    Another tactic that more and more for-profit emergency rooms are using (illegally) is to give higher priority to the patients that are actually paying. They have several creative ways to determine the likilihood that an incoming patient will be able to pay.
     
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    your healthcare systems frees you to live your life any way you want, your post illustrates that perfectly, its one of the best about your country and which you should be very proud of, your country cares about you, some countries apparently don't.
     
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    You mean it takes away the consequences for irresponsible behavior. That isn't care, that is abuse. Taking away consequences for irresponsibility creates foolish, irresponsible people that are incapable of succeeding in life.
     
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    yeah totally cause nobody from Europe has ever succeeded in life. Don't believe the right wing nonsense they tell you, all that creates is a lack of people dying cause they can't afford an operation, its really a good thing in a civilised society.
     
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    pre the financial crisis the biggest cause of bankruptcy in the US was medical bills, it may still be, this is in the richest nation-state in the history of mankind, you have thousands of people going bankrupt because they got cancer, do you really think thats a defensible situation ? It is often said you can judge a society by how it treats its dead, its weak, its old, its infirm, well the US treats its infirm pretty shockingly imo.
     

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