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I’m not talking down on all religion either. I definitely believe in god. But if I knew a 37 year old that married a 14 year old I would want to hunt him down too.

 

To be a pedophile you have to have sexual relations. They did not have sexual relations, ever. apologize on that.
Now, did they get married? No.
Were they sealed for time and all-eternity? Yes.
Why? Because her father wanted this. Why? Because in the early years of the concept of sealing, the father felt that he and the family could hitch a ride to the Celestial Glory Kingdom (1Cor:15). That was the purpose. She and all others involved specifically state there was no physical or sexual contact of any kind. A bit more about sealings in the early days; men were sealed to Joseph Smith and to each other because they did not understand in the beginning that sealings were between Husbands and Wives and Parents to their Children. They thought the whole Church had to be sealed to each other. But, that was not the case and subsequently made clear. So, apologize for your ignorance or your simple hatred towards those of different beliefs.

 

I’m a Mormon that doesn’t practice anymore. What you say about marriage is complete BS. You can only be sealed in the temple as a family member being a son or daughter or sealed in marriage. He was in fact sealed in marriage. You’re not the first hypocritical lying Mormon I have ran into. Not only on this but others. Mormons are the most unethical liars in business and personal matters I have ever met. Here’s an article by the LDS that admits they were in fact married.

https://ldsanswers.org/did-joseph-smith-marry-a-14-year-old-girl/

They go on to say that it was okay at the era they were married and this is somewhat true but does not mark as an excuse to anyone with reason or understanding of the rarity it still was for such a huge age gap… it was still only 11% of women in the 1800’s that got married before the age of 18. With huge age gaps like that, it was far less.

another spewed lie is that they had all those wives at the time because of all the widows. But that 14 year old was definitely not a widow.

that religion was built around lies like you’re spewing and a mans penis.

 

Old hat, Reagan proposed that.

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/flashback-reagans-vision-unifying-msna166941

 

And the LSD

 

Wouldn't be the first time the govt considered activating a program only to officially decide not to and then it happens decades later.

 

Still waiting on you to prove any of your claim

 

"...he [****r C. Kimball] taught me the principle of Celestial marriage, and having a great desire to be connected with the Prophet Joseph, he offered me to him; this I afterwards learned from the Prophet’s own mouth. My father had but one lamb, but willingly laid her upon the alter . . ."

Once again, you are a bold face liar as most excommunicated members are. Especially when they are anti-Mormons. So, stop trying to act like you are a member or something. The quote above explains again that this marriage had to do with mistakes of understanding of the sealing principles. Men and women early on after being so called "taught" the principles were sealed to the Prophet. I'm sure Herber C. Kimball was also sealed to the Prophet. Have you ever checked on this? No. As to your insinuation that there was sexual intercourse, there is zero evidence of this. In fact, there is just the opposite. Do you have factual evidence that Joseph Smith slept with her and had sexual intercourse? No. Why? Because it did not happen.
As to her age, the mother of Jesus was also about 14 years of age as well when the conception took place. So, are you a Christian? Are you going to now reject Jesus Christ because of this revelation? I'd like to be at the judgment seat watching you with Father and the Lord.

Now, let me pull out some quotes from the article you posted about:

"Although I was very young, I was on guard many a night, and gladly did I hail with many of the Saints, the completion of the temple. On about January 10, 1846, I was privileged to go in the temple and receive my washings and anointings. I was sealed to a lovely young girl named Mary, who was about my age, but it was with the understanding that we were not to live together as man and wife until we were 16 years of age. The reason that some were sealed so young was because we knew that we would have to go West and wait many a long time for another temple.Autobiography of Mosiah Hancock (1834-1907).” Autobiography of Mosiah Hancock (1834-1907). N.p., n.d. Web. 19 Jan. 2017." style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(39, 125, 75);">9

This account shows that it was not unheard of for marriages to be performed that would not be consummated or fully recognized until the participants reached an appropriate age." As was with Helen Kimball. In fact, "marriage" is a government title. While they were sealed, were they married? That would be against the law even back then. We seal couples all the time in the Temple assuming they were legally and lawfully married. There's no indication Joseph Smith married or consummated the sealing. None. Never happened.

"It should be acknowledged that Helen Mar Kimball initially held reservations to the practice of plural marriage. However, later in her life she became a staunch defender. Her story and journey of discovery will be detailed in an upcoming article, Did one of the Prophet Joseph’s wives, Helen Mar Kimball despise polygamy?."

As you can see, I do not hold anything back concerning this or any other issues related to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. As usual, those who sin greatly are compelled to hide their sins through attacks on the Church in any fashion they see fit. And, as usual, they use personal attacks on the character of members including the General Authorities including the Prophet Joseph Smith. And, as usual, with no proof or facts to back up their attacks.

 

It is you that is making the assumption of pedophile. Not me. Sealings are not proof of sexual intercourse or any molestation. Here is another article penned at Brigham Young University that proves what I've been saying all along that sealings in the 1840's were much different than what we think now. Linking "families" was not taught or if it was, not understood properly. "Convinced that sealing was God’s plan for his people, the Nauvoo Saints in effect created extended eternal families by sealing living Saints of no blood relation—through plural marriages and adult “adoptions”—rather than through sealing to one’s own progenitors via proxy work. (Through what the Saints called the “law of adoption,” adult men without faithful Latter-day Saint parents were sealed to other adult men as their adopted sons.) [24] Lucy Walker, for instance, who married Joseph Smith days before Helen did in 1843, remembered the Prophet explaining that their sealing would help “form a chain that could never be broken, worlds without end.” [25] Since endowments and sealings for the dead were not yet part of Latter-day Saint temple practice, the Nauvoo Saints’ sealing work bore a marked sense of urgency. In other words, whatever was to be done in terms of ordinance work beyond baptism was to be done here and now and only for the living. Speaking in 1859, Elder Orson Pratt put it bluntly: “All these things have to be attended to here.” [26] Saints like ****r Kimball thus yearned to be linked or welded into an extended celestial family. Viewed in this light, Elder Kimball and the Prophet Joseph Smith seem to have been collecting kin as much as wives. In the words of one historian, “Joseph did not marry women to form a warm, human companionship, but to create a network of related wives, children, and kinsmen that would endure into the eternities. . . . Like Abraham of old, Joseph yearned for familial plentitude.” [27]" - https://rsc.byu.edu/no-weapon-shall-prosper/subject-can-bear-investigation

No one is hiding anything. Sealings were much different. They didn't necessarily mean marriage. Nor were they consummated as noted above men being sealed to men as well. You need to do some serious soul searching and repenting my brother.

 

The church openly admits she was sealed in marriage to joseph smith and that they don’t know if their marriage was consummated or not. My gamble is that it was. Who marries and doesn’t? He was a pedophile

 

She said marriage… a 37 year old pedophile married a 14 year old plain and simple

 

Hey Kode, are you sure that the miraculous mystical vision you had revealed that it wouldn't have anything to do with religion? Because the direction of this thread disagrees with you.

 

Helen Kimball doesn't say it was. If it was, why wouldn't she say so all the years she lived afterwards? Once again, if there is no proof that there was any sexual activity, then there wasn't. There is more proof that there wasn't from the girl herself. For the author to suggest otherwise was wrong. Actually, from what I see, others who were sealed to young women did not live together until both were at least 16 years of age. So, it was clear that the Church back then allowed sealings to young girls but the people did not consummate at the time of the sealings. More proof you are an angry person at the Church due to the usual reasons like were disciplined for a sin either by excommunication or disfellowshipped or you are gay and mad that God won't let you marry in the temple someone of the same sex. Am I right?

 

The FLDS currently marries older men to extremely younger girls now too. Those girls also think it’s okay. Does that make them a pedophile or just a practicing religion? You’re defending some messed up stuff

 

Whats the difference between Warren Jeffs and Joseph Smith? Absolutely nothing

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/12...en-was-forced-to-be-a-scribe-for-the-rituals/

 

Why do you fall back on the FLDS? They are an apostate group of the Church Joseph Smith helped the Lord re-establish. Your silly attack due to your own problems is about Joseph Smith, not the FLDS. But, you have to digress to that nonsense because you have no answer. There is no evidence that Joseph Smith was a pedophile. There is by far more evidence that he was not. So, I'm defending an innocent man who can't defend himself. It's easy for you sad people to attack someone who is dead and it makes you feel better since you got caught doing something and need to hide them by attacking Joseph Smith. How petty.

 

Warren Jeffs actually has factual proof against him. Joseph Smith has actual proof that he did not have sexual relations with underaged girls.

 

Sealed. Try to keep things in context with the ordinance, the understanding of the ordinance and the time in which the thing occurred. The fact is, you are talking down the religion and still haven't answered the reason for your insecure and unproved attacks against Joseph Smith. Are you gay or a vile sinner? Because you don't believe in the one true God.

 

It is possible. Not likely, but possible.

When I was growing up my mother had a female employee working for her company. She was probably in her early-mid 40s. She was married to a guy who was about that age as well. They had separate bedrooms and never consummated their marriage. His mother (like 80s) would come over every morning and make his bed and make him breakfast. He would sit in front of the tv watching cartoons and just laugh all day. I don't know what was actually "wrong" there.

The woman came out as a lesbian to my mother several years later. I don't know if they didn't consummate the marriage because of whatever was going on with him or her true sexuality but their "marriage" was certainly not textbook.

 

Practice what you preach! The church describes their marriage as sealed in marriage.

What have I said that are not proven. The church admits they were married, they don’t know if they consummated their marriage but i tend to think they did, and he has done everything Warren jeffs has done. Should I show the article again that the church itself admits it?

 

Not likely….

 

BS because the church says in their own writings that they don’t know.

 

Agreed. That's why I wrote it.

 

The fact is, one can be married outside the temple and then sealed in the temple. Doesn't matter to your slander against Joseph Smith. Your slander is saying he's a pedophile for doing so which is not the definition of a pedophile. The sealing was for connection purposes only as it was obviously not fully understood, even to Joseph Smith. But, that was the time period that they all as a community sealed each other no matter what the sex of the persons were. And, Jeffs did have sex with underaged girls. That is factual. Your assertion is not factual.

 

Meaning, as far as factual evidence, the answer is no. Until you or some writer in a blog can say Joseph Smith had sexual relations with Helen Kimball, the answer is no in any court of law and sane minds. You have not proved your point. Saying "they don't know" doesn't indict anyone or prove your point unless you have something to hide.