Something new about the Trans rights movement

Sadly, I'm in agreement with you. It's posts like that, that really discredits any argument given, regardless of which side it comes from.

 

This is true, though I'm not sure it matters from Klinger's point of view. He was faking it either way, in an attempt to get discharged.

 

I readily admit I probably don't keep up with the rapidly changing language people are using for these things. I'm happy to use whatever semantics people want, and to be corrected on mine, so long as we address the ideas and don't let language hold back the conversations.

Good point. And it brings up the question of if person is "male" for all of the above, but "identifies as female", does that make their claim of having a "woman's mind" wrong, or is "mind" purely subjective?

 

I couldn't figure out who tealwings meant was being narcicistic.

 

The entire spectrum of people "identifying" as being part of the alphabet is not the subject. "Trans" (?) is what was stated in the op.

 

Granted. He had a choice of a couple of tactics. But I was trying to make a point of the difference between the different types of people. Too often people are trying to conflate CD/DQ's with TG's, and they are not the same thing.

 

I would hesitate to use subjective, although we can certainly use it for a lot of things. Pain for instance. Since we don't know what exactly happens to cause a person to be transgendered, it could be as simple as having all three, but certain genes or combination of genes didn't get activated or not at the right time. And I am positive that there is no one source of transgenderism. I've noted chimeraism before. And in the end it is objective to them.

 

If someone is truly intersex, I'm okay with them entering into the restricted domain of whatever gender they want, so long as they reasonably passably look like that gender.
However, that is extremely rare, and mostly wouldn't affect this debate.
There's even a possibility a special identity card could be issued to them in case they run into any problems, so they could show they have been approved.

 

When we have cis women who people think look like men, why should they not be held to the same standard then? Look like a man, go into the men's restroom.

How rare is it really? Lots of intersexed people go their whole life without knowing they are intersexed. Furthermore, very few transgender people have any kind of testing to see if they are intersexed or chimerias. Since we are not testing for it, and they can easily go unnoticed, then how can we say how rare they are? It would be different if we were specifically doing studies on this, but we're not.

 

I would be curious, but would wager to bet good money that those rates among transgender people are not very much different from the general population.

 

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!

YOU get to DICTATE what other people MUST look like in order to be APPROVED and ACCEPTED by YOURSELF?

Since when were YOU promoted to High Chieftain of the APPEARANCE of Trans people?

Talk about getting a chuckle out of the content of vacuous Over the Top posts.

Your codswallop is HILARIOUS!

 

Nitpicking does NOT give you permission to DISPARAGE any segment of the LBGTQ community.

 

Yes it is, but that respect must come from the person who feels entitled to have the world accommodate them, at whim. Our identity is always a negotiation with society. We can decide we are A, but if the world sees us as B, there's nothing we can do about it. We have to respect the right of people we come into contact with, to see us as they will. Just as we see others as we will.

 

And we're not REQUIRED to understand them .... much less pander to them.

 

I would not be friends with someone who has such an unusual level of narcissism that they were driven to change a name carefully chosen by their parents, and perfectly adequate to their basic needs up until this 'self crisis'. That's the sort of dysfunctional self-indulgence which marks someone as too flakey to be taken seriously.

 

It's a negotiation.

 

Biology isn't a 'belief', it's reality. The only person working in 'beliefs' is the person insisting that we deny biology/reality.

 

So using YOUR own ILLOGICAL nonsense let's explore what happens when SOCIETY sees you as being "worthless" to use that as an EXAMPLE without intending anything personal or derogatory.

YOU understand that you are NOT worthless but according to YOUR absurd allegation above "there's nothing we can do about it".

EVERYONE has a RIGHT to human DIGNITY and Society has an OBLIGATION to RESPECT that human dignity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dignity

Worth NOTING that in Societies where human dignity was NOT respected in the past like Germany and South Africa where entire segments of their population were treated as being LESS worthy than others those nations have NOW encoded the RIGHT to human DIGNITY in their Constitutions.

So BIGOTS in Society do NOT get to crap all over the RIGHTS of the LBGTQ community just because it is YOUR OPINION that "there's nothing we can do about it".

 

How IRONIC since that is EXACTLY what YOU are doing!

 

Science has not determined any such thing.

ALL we have done is observe changes. We have no way of knowing what caused those changes. Since one of the few things we DO know is that things like cortisol cause changes. Given that cortisol is associated with stress, there's far more likelihood that the observed changes are environmental. There is no evidence - or even hint - that any of this is genetic.

 

Yes, so? For all I know that's exactly how others see me. It's not my job, my right, or my responsibility to disabuse them. They are entitled to regard me as they will, just as I regard them as I will. Narcissism can be the only driver for denying others the right to form their own opinion of us.

 

Science denialism and bigotry...never far apart!

Sad!

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/stop-using-phony-science-to-justify-transphobia/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/...ansgender-peoples-identities/?sh=5a3c9c6211ea

 

You are abusing EMOTIVE terminology, like pandering and narcissism, in order to DENY the RIGHTS of Transgender people.

Sad!

 

Identifying the basis of the thread cannot be interpreted as "nitpicking" except by someone who seeks to sidestep.
Identifying a group as being a very, very small minority is not "disparaging", it is stating a fact.
The haste to promote a socio-political movement often leads to these sorts of exaggerations.

 

Do YOU understand what the term INDIVIDUAL rights means?

An individual is the SMALLEST possible "minority" and yet as an individual they are STILL entitled to their human DIGNITY and their RIGHTS.

YOUR disparaging of Transgenders as being "very, very small minority" IMPLIES that they are UNWORTHY of being given the SAME respect and rights as MAJORITIES.

That is duplicitous and aids and abets the DENIAL of the RIGHTS of Transgenders.

Is that EXPLICIT enough for YOU to grasp now?