Sorry, but I cried wolf on climate change

I could smell a strong odour of rotting straw man and a faltering book sale myself

 

Apples don't. They need so many "chill hours"
And that goes for lots of plants and animals that thrive in more temperate
climates, but suddenly find they are living in tropical climates.

 

Oy!!

congrats you just built a straw man bigger than the OP

 

I'm sorry, I thought I read you claiming man controls the sun in any way whatsoever. Absence of sunspots in a given solar period (what, eight, twelve years now?) also affect temperature rises. Volcanoes spew ash. This last year, several have.

I do not argue against man-caused litter. That is not and never will be a factor in global temperatures. But since the clean-up costs seem to always be borne by Americans, we should be putting intense pressure on real polluters in Southeast Asian. We are no longer the problem. It's them. Make the real chumps pay. Bigly.

 

classic straw man

 

How so? He decided the outcome before he posted. Isn't that a bit, ah, premature?

Or do you mean the fact that to date NOBODY has said what the temperature SHOULD be, or when ACCURATE measures using REALISTIC computer models even began to get used. It's an imperfect starting point unsupported by anything more than about a 2-degree variation. Margins of error are larger for everything but THIS sacred cow!

Don't bother with flat-earth garbage. I was aware by age ten of globes and axis and angle toward old Sol. Just don't claim man can control Nature. Every sailor who tried, drowned.

 

Awwww Diddums!! Did the mean global community ask you freely polluting Americans to clean up your act?

you are aware are you not that all countries agreed to clean up their acts and everyone is working to reduce global emissions

 

which temperature are you wanting to reference? Global average temperature? Winter mean temperature? Upper atmospheric temperature?

it is a nonsense demand made to be a null hypothesis

and agin with the strawmen - is it so impossible to frame an honest argument?

 

If you think I opposed cleanups you're wrong. Michigan has a 10-cent bottle deposit. I made out great. As for the "mean" alleged global community, that's an empty claim. Whoever started it gave me money in my pocket. Again---don't ask America to do more until the real polluters pay their fair share. As in everything left.

 

You are making my point about choosing between the models. Which one are the globull wormening crowd using? Who decided where "normal" started? Who tries making us feel guilty after spending billions trying to do our own fair share?

 

No, this guy fully accepts Global Warming. As most people do.
But he is talking about all the other issues that moderate people
ought to be attending to as well.
All things in perspective.
I say to people about Global Warming "Trust the science, don't
trust the politics."

 

By that I mean the sun's heat warms the earth, but it must be able to
radiate back into space. A thick, heavy blanket of CO2 slows down the
return of this heat to space.
On Venus the CO2 trapped the sun's heat, and it's hot enough now to
melt lead.

 

Has more to do with its distance from the sun since it is only 67 million miles from the sun and it is too small to hold much atmosphere.

 

Yes and no.
It would be warmer for sure, being closer
But it's the heat that can't get out that did the real damage,
and also, it got a funny day and night system.
Venus is about the size of earth.

 

Venus is about half the diameter of earth which means its volume is about one eighth of earth.

 

Propaganda works.

The weak of mind are quite susceptible..

 

A very sensible position.

 

Amazingly so.

 

Science found the warming way back in the 70s. There were 2 major research efforts. The oil company that found it talked about all the damage it could do, but only in their secret report, of course.

This has been known for over 4 decades.

You can hide in your excuses, but reality isn't going anywhere. So by the time we do work the problem, we will have the expense of dealing with the problem, and the expense of dealing with the damage it is causing.

I'm 69, so I won't get slammed by it.

I'm guessing you are not.

It's a shame, I'd love to be around to say 'told ya so'.

About a thousand times.

 

Venus' diameter is only 400 miles smaller than earth. For all intents the
two planets are twins.

 

We should pin our hope on any technology or biology which can remove
carbon from the atmosphere. If we stopped all coal, gas and wood burning
tomorrow, and millions died, the atmosphere will still heat up.

 

Those woefully lackluster qualifications essentially mean he's a blowhard with an erroneous opinion...........as actual climate scientists and the science they use to reach their conclusions attest to.

Next.

 

LOL... Just a thought. If you're going to try to be credible about something, at least understand the process, and the correct words to use when you are trying to market something. Gallons describe liquids, do they not? When did the atmosphere become a liquid?? LOL

 

LOL.. the view from the nile... Gotta love that Schellenberger cites the actual studies that came to the conclusions that you now so inadequately reference. Your ignorance is obvious here.