Sorry, Russia's Winning the War

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  1. Destroyer of illusions

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    I showed you the graphs, gave links to sources. You say you don't believe. Not surprised. Ostriches, for example, hide their heads in the sand.
    If this makes you feel better, you may think that you live in the country of the elves.
     
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    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    ^ Zero substance. N
    Rickards's first book, Currency Wars: The Making of the Next Global Crisis, was published in 2011. In it, he argued that currency wars are not just an economic or monetary concern but a national security concern. He maintained that the United States faced serious threats to its national security,[12] from clandestine gold purchases by China to the hidden agendas of sovereign wealth funds, and that greater than any single threat was the very real danger of the collapse of the dollar itself. Rickards charged that the Federal Reserve was involved in what he called "the greatest gamble in the history of finance." The Fed's easing of financial conditions through lowering long-term interest rates was, he wrote, "essentially a program of printing money to spur growth."

    Rickards subsequently authored another six books:

    • The Death of Money: The Coming Collapse of the International Monetary System (2014)[13]
    • The Big Drop: How To Grow Your Wealth During the Coming Collapse (2015)
    • The New Case for Gold (2016)
    • The Road to Ruin: The Global Elites' Secret Plan for the Next Financial Crisis (2016)
    • Aftermath: Seven Secrets of Wealth Preservation in the Coming Chaos (2019)
    • The New Great Depression: Winners and Losers in a Post-Pandemic World (Jan 2021)
    Rickard's second book The Death of Money was released on April 8, 2014 and was a New York Times Best Seller. His third book The New Case for Gold was released on April 5, 2016. His fourth book The Road to Ruin: The Global Elites' Secret Plan for the Next Financial Crisis was released on November 15, 2016.

    In The Road to Ruin, Rickards propagates the idea which was first articulated by the Indian economist Arvind Kumar in the Indian newspaper Daily News and Analysis and which rang the alarm bells that the combination of negative interest rates and cashless currency was a design to destroy the savings of people.[14] The book also promulgates a theory that "global elites" are using the "hobby horse" of climate change to advance a "new world order" that includes a global currency.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Rickards

    In reality, he's a kooky author who writes garbage books for gullible paranoiacs who believe in secret cabals of global elites trying to take their money, when in reality it's he who is taking their money by selling them such idiotic, useless books.
     
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    'Russia is going to be defeated in Ukraine' | Ben Wallace full interview


    "President Putin is using energy as a weapon. Are we going to let him win, are we going to let him do that, because if he does, he'll be back for more."

    Times Radio's chief political commentator Lucy Fisher interviews UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace about Kyiv's prospects in 2023, the US sending Patriot missiles to Ukraine, and the West's "hollowed out" ammunition stocks.​
     
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    You know that's a myth don't you?
     
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    You showed a month of a graph. Industrial production is in no way an indicator of who is winning or losing in the Russian-Ukrianian War that Russia started BTW. It is clear that the Russian military machine is showing cracks and that its soldiers, through unencrypted cell phone communications, are pretty much blaming Putin for all of this mess ranging from leadership to supply issues of even the basic necessities. Second, Ukraine, through the help of the US and certain NATO countries, have supplied Ukrainian forces with enough military equipment to have the Ukrainian Army take to Russia actually take back territory now lost. Now, Putin has even acknowledged that a peace deal may be necessary.
     
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    Of course. But this is a common turn of phrase in discussions. I hope you know about it?
     
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    You write nonsense. I see no reason to prove anything to you. Time, the most honest person. We'll see soon.
    The fact that, the Russians in Ukraine are fighting not so much with Ukraine (a poor non-state), as they are fighting with NATO. Albeit indirectly (for now), but with NATO - I completely agree with you.
    But I repeat - time is the most honest person. See you soon.

    By the way, Putin spoke about the inevitability of negotiations in the context of the fact that all wars end in negotiations. And I don't know what in this text you think is Putin's weakness. He was simply stating a fact. Or is he wrong?
     
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    And time is not on Russia's side. They have a huge problem within their military, especially among the conscripts that they use, along with all the logistical issues such as gas for the tanks, food for the soldiers, clothing for the soldiers, and their lack of will to fight. Second, they are still not winning this war, a war that should have taken them 10 days to complete. We are now in Month number 8 in this war and they are losing territory. And that is what matters, not the month-to-month graph you showed.

    What you are doing is picking and choosing information to fit your narrative and ignoring all the other facts. And to me, that shows you have no understanding of what you read or what is really going on. That is your nonsense boy.
     
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    Time is the most honest person. We will see who has more problems - the EU and the US or the Russians. Time will tell.
     
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    So why is Russia following the American playbook? In fact, Russia even planted mines & booby traps when they retreated from Kherson.

    Russian forces retreating from Kherson left behind booby traps — including a grenade in a washing machine and a street sign that directed people into a minefield
    https://www.aol.com/news/russian-forces-retreating-kherson-left-001844495.html
     
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    So you admit there's no evidence to back up your claims about Ukraine & Russia.

    Last time I checked nearly 8 million Ukrainians have fled their homeland following the Russian invasion. What's next? Are you're going to tell us that they're fleeing their 'evil Nazi' govt? LOL That's what Russians are doing by the hundreds of thousands, and they haven't even been invaded!

    What 'evidence' do I need to come up with? Russia invaded Ukraine and has been heavily targeting civilian regions (because Russia's a paper tiger and no match against real military forces), prompting the exodus of nearly 8 million Ukrainian refugees. Russia is also losing the war, so we can expect a ramping up of Putin's desperate propaganda.

    Bottom line: Putin doesn't want Ukraine to ever achieve full independence, let alone become a NATO ally. He'd prefer to keep supplying & weaponizing his separatist pawns and play them off as fake 'victims' of Zelensky's 'Nazi terrorism', rather than absorb them into his own country. This is a good strategy to suck Ukraine into future conflicts, all the while feed a line of BS to his own troops on why they're invading the Ukraine.
    Really? Or is that another way of saying Putin's losing the war. What was their reason for withdrawing 30k troops from Kherson city after a 9-month occupation, for example? Just being a 'gentle giant'? LOL
    Not sure why you're giving me these stats. You just confirmed the UN's justification for admonishing Russia for war crimes in its targeting of civilians & children, as well as Amnesty International's report of Russia's “indiscriminate attacks on civilian areas and strikes on protected objects such as hospitals.”. Thank you for acknowledging the truth.

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov claimed that “no strikes are being made on civilian infrastructure.” No doubt you'd believe Lavrov if not for the UN's figures you cited.
    But most of what you've posted about Russia & Ukraine is itself Russian propaganda. Where's the evidence to back up your claims?

    'Special operations'? Really!? LOL How do you buy into such rubbish? It's the same BS rhetoric we got from our own govt when it invaded the Middle East on the pretense of 'Islamic terrorism'. You're just falling for one BS narrative over another because you worship Russia and/or you hate Biden.

    Russian journalists know the truth & are resisting:

    Russia State-Owned News Site Tass Hacked With ‘Putin Makes Us Lie’ Message
    People logging on to Russian state-owned news agency Tass to get the Kremlin’s version of events in Ukraine got a shock early Monday. Instead of the latest lines from the Kremlin, the site showed an anti-war message that condemned President Vladimir Putin for forcing Russian journalists to lie. “Dear citizens. We urge you to stop this madness, do not send your sons and husbands to certain death. Putin makes us lie and puts us in danger. In a few years we will live like in North Korea. What is it for us? To put Putin in the textbooks? This is not our war, let’s stop it!” It’s not clear who changed the site, but an Anonymous logo followed the message and it ended with the sign-off: “This message will be deleted, and some of us will be fired or even jailed. But we can’t take it anymore... Indifferent journalists of Russia.”
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/tass-site-hacked-with-putin-makes-us-lie-message

    Or how about documents directly from Russian troops:

    When Russian troops fled the Ukrainian town of Balakliia last month, they left behind thousands of documents that detail the inner workings of the Russian war machine.
    In the weeks before that defeat, Russian forces were struggling with surveillance and electronic warfare. They were using off-the-shelf drones flown by barely trained soldiers. Their equipment for jamming Ukrainian communications was often out of action.  By the end of August, the documents show, the force was depleted, hit by death, desertions and combat stress. Two units – accounting for about a sixth of the total force – were operating at 20% of their full strength. The documents also reveal the increasing effectiveness of Ukraine’s forces and offer clues to how the eight-month-old war might unfold, with Russia now under intense pressure on the southern front around the Black Sea coast. In the weeks before their retreat, Russian forces around Balakliia, a town 90 kilometres south of Kharkiv, came under heavy bombardment from HIMARS rocket launchers, recently supplied by the United States. The precision missiles repeatedly hit command posts. A Russian officer who served in the Balakliia force for three months, described to Reuters a sense of menace hanging over the occupiers.
    https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/ukraine-crisis-russia-base/

    This one's really sad!

    Russian soldiers having to use crowdfunding to pay for quadcopter drones!
    On July 19, hours before the battle of Hrakove, an unnamed officer scribbled on the daily briefing note a plea for drones to track the enemy:  “Quadcopters!!! Urgent!” Quadcopter drones are generally not military grade and can be bought in store and on the internet. As Reuters reported in June, Russian troops have relied on crowdfunding to buy drones.
    https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/ukraine-crisis-russia-base/
     
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    Really? Did World War 2 end in "negotiations"? No it didn't some wars end in annihilation.
     
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    No idea why you posted all this gibberish .. pretending I said that Russia did not invade Ukraine. No idea where you got that from mate .. as I sais nor inferred no such thing .. on some big strawman fallacy rant you are .. got lost somewhere ya did !?
     
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    Do Americans know why Russia invaded?
     
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    Even if Putin wins what does he have to show for it. A province that is all but devoid of people with most of its infrastructure destroyed. It'll be be decades before the shell that was once the Ukraine produce anything Russia can use.
     
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    Dats right D Day .. just like WW3 gonna end in annihilation gonna drop one right on RR's grave .. Sure Dat .. :truce:
     
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    do Russians even know why Putin invaded?
     
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    Because you need to know the facts.
     
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    ~ I wonder if Pootin is just being used as a convenient pawn for a USA/Ukraine money laundry — or is he getting a cut from the "Big Guy " for his cooperation .. ?
    " Your tax dollars at work. " animated-smileys-thinking-17.gif
     
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    Why do you (and others) constantly see conspiracies everywhere you turn?
     
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    Not all wars are fought strictly for resources or material gain.
     
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    ~ Because we pay attention and have lived long enough to know corruption, false narratives and "fake news" staring us in the face.
    Co2 "climate catastrophe " ; Covid19 pandemic vaccine/mask mandates ; nuclear war scare tactics ; Russia collusion with certain political candidates ... The list goes on.
    Can you document for us where all the money sent to Ukraine had been used ? Nobody else can — including the Democrats .
    There are two types of people : the ignorant and the informed. Who we choose to be is a matter of our own free will.
    ~ I can't think of any war the USA participated in that was. Can you ..?
     
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    yep, narcissism and ego gets a lot of them going
     
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    Forget them, Destroyer-- why bother arguing with fools who don't realize the obvious: that Russia has already conquered the entire world?
     
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    Even American presidents say Western media is fake media.
    Wants to know reality, read RT
     

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