Special Report: How Iran spreads disinformation around the world

MMC, IMO it is not about defending anyone. Its about all the death and destruction going on for past 19 years.
Out of all the nations to be allied with Saudi Arabia seems the worst. Home of the two main islamic places, Mecca and Medina. And the sunni.
Watch this.

 

I'm well aware of what Saudi Arabia has done over the years, the Saudi tribe's contract with Wahhab, their efforts to spread their own brand of intolerant religious beliefs throughout the world.

I'm also well aware of their efforts to bring Osama bin Laden back home as an ally, efforts led by none other than Jamal Khashoggi, by the way.

There are, however, other things I'm painfully aware of, and nobody else seems to even notice.

Back during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, when an enthusiastic bin Laden joined the mujahedeen for the glory of Islam, how on earth and every other planet were the Saudis, or the Americans, supposed to know what him and his organization were going to do several years from that moment? How can anyone say, with a straight face, that the US funded the perpetrators of 9/11, when that terror attack occured many years after the Afghan war against Soviets and nobody at the time had the slightest idea something like that was going to happen?

Crystal ball in the White House, perhaps?

And then there's this twisted bigoted view that the West, and mostly the US, must bear guilt for whatever evils in the whole world. The implicit racism is, of course, lost on US haters: almost the entirety of the human race is thus reduced to brainless, spinless puppets on strings in US and their allies' hands.

CNN happily joins the anti-US circus at times, journalistic ethics be damned. The article linked in your post is absolute trash, a shining example of knee-jerk finger pointing at the eternal American vilain, without even a shred of a shadow of proof. The logical explanation for bin Laden's views on America is, however, hidden in the text, but only those familiar with Muslim Brotherhood's ideology are able to spot it. Here it is:

Sayyid Qutb was a radical ideologue of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood.

Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/a-lesson-in-hate-109822568/#eDjLq3fO5etmZpQy.99

Al-Qaeda is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, not a Saudi or American creature. The Muslim Brotherhood is now banned in most Middle Eastern Arab countries.

The point of my post wasn't about what Saudi Arabia or the US might or might not have done sometime in the past. My point was that the aggressive demonization of Saudi Arabia now, just as its leaders acknowledge mistakes of the past and are taking steps to change and modernize the country, is driven by Iranian (and probably Turkish) regime's fears that it will lose the ideological edge in the fight for regional hegemony.

Yes, I know there's still much to do about Saudi Arabia's human rights record ("atrocious" comes to mind), but hey, didn't the French Revolution have a Robespierre?

 

ok let's see, the aggressive demonization of Saudi Arabia... there's nothing aggressive about admitting their involvement in funding terrorism... it's simply a fact. I'm also not buying the modernisation rubbish, MbS tortured the very women who campaigned to drive...his liberation of women moves were simply bait to draw out those who wanted to depose him... like a piece of steak for the hyenas, after his Ritz adventures it all came to an end.... again it's propaganda and you're falling for it... hard.

Saudi Arabia accused of torturing women's right-to-drive activists in prison
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/21/saudi-arabia-accused-torturing-womens-right-to-drive-activists/

 

It is a shame that the content of this thread isn't enough to make your note unnecessary. It ought to be obvious, but alas ...... I share your frustration.

Unfortunately, that is where our agreement ends.

What you see in Iran today is the direct consequence of U.S. meddling. That is to say, if you don't like Iran then the blame for the situation lies with the U.S.

I can pretty much guarantee that you are wrong. American domination over the world and nation-states devotion to NATO (U.S./Israel) are sitting very precariously on an edge. Another penny on the scale might very well cause NATO to dissolve and be the start of the destruction of the U.S. The map of war games is already quivering against further intervention into Iran and Russia.

 

I don't think you understand. If your potatoes dry up you learn to eat rice. Adapting is a time-true tactic of any successful entity and Iran is adapting very well.

 

Is it OK if I take a guess? Please? I want to say 'Kentucky' but I fear it's worse than that.

 

Worse without them? That's exactly what Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin, and Pol Pot said. In fact, that's what Bush Baby Junior told the Irakis too.

 

You look at Robespierre, I look at the Revolution in all its aspects.

Understanding the Middle East is not easy for a western mindset. We feel the consequences of the change of heart in Saudi Arabia and its Arab allies, it has a direct impact on my country. It's not propaganda if it has visible consequences in the real world, is it?

Have you even read the Telegraph article, or just the title? It's pure stand-up comedy:

Ill-treatment at the Ritz Carlton hotel...now that's torture

Keep in mind that most, if not all, information coming to the major news agencies from the Middle East is the work of local stringers - freelance journalists and photographers. While some of this information might be accurate, the local stringers' bias is a factor to be taken into account in such a troubled and divided region.

I don't know if those women were really tortured or not. The article in the Telegraph presents the position of Human Rights Watch, not testimonies from witnesses or the women themselves. Unnamed sources telling Human Rights Watch something may or may not be credible, but how do I know?

 

Generally speaking, such reports are supposed to have confirmed their statements on sources that are "unnamed" for reasons of security. But ill deeds by reporters have made it difficult to trust any source, unnanned or otherwise. We are left to discern credibility based upon our own intuition and logic.

 

Do what you like.

 

I hate to burst your bubble, but you are not the spokesperson for the people of mideast. And Iran hasn't waged any violent expansionist wars across any region. Iran's actions are easily explained as defensive maneuvers against the aggressive imperialism of Washington DC and London.

It's not a fact. But even if it was, it would prove very little, since much of the Middle East consists of Sunnis who hate Iran for reasons having nothing to do with Iran's foreign policy.

It will be the biggest disaster in US history. It will make the disaster of Iraq look like a picnic. And it will destroy the presidency of whoever oversees it.

You don't speak for the people of Iran either. You are their enemy. You want to kill a bunch of Iranians. You are helping to kill lots of them right now with your sanctions.

 

Oh my! How GENEROUS of you to "exempt" food and medicine while cutting Iran off from all the things that they actually need to bring food and medicine into their country!

You are such a compassionate, generous man! Truly!

Please, tell me more about your compassionate approach to strangling another country's economy.

 

It is staggering how little you know about Iran yet you shout the loudest. Iran's position is directly affected by U.S. treachery committed in Iran and the whole region in general. I hate to boil the situation down to simple terms but Iran's methods have become necessary for its own self-defense and by Iran's deeds (good or bad) help to protect the whole Middle East.

 

Iran is trying to influence elections in Iraq.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...lry-paralyzes-iraqs-government-idUSKBN1O30KL?

The two largest parliamentary groupings to emerge after the vote in May - one led by populist cleric Moqtada al-Sadr and the other by Iranian-backed militia leader Hadi al-Amiri - formed a tacit alliance in October when they picked a president and approved 14 out of 22 cabinet ministers.

But since then there has been stalemate, mainly over the empty interior ministry post dominated for years by allies of Amiri, who are backing the former head of a paramilitary force supported by Tehran. Sadr meanwhile says no one with a political affiliation should get the post.

 

What a crock of ****, it don't matter. That is ridiculous. Here you are saying the US is evil due to an alliance we have with the Saud. Because of something the Saud has done. Yet we show up for those natural disasters that take place around the Planet. Your Russians and Iranians don't do it. Your Iranians don't even have the brain capacity to know what to do in a Natural disaster other than call for help.

Thanks for validating you don't know how alliances work. Also thanks for validating you can't comprehend how the US uses the Saud to counter those Iranians from gaining hegemony in the ME.

You should study up and research that. Then when having questions ask somebody about which you don't understand. This way you won't look like you don't know what your talking about. Til then I would suggest you sit back and learn what you can before talking about something you don't have a clue of.

 

Actually its a reality that your mind can't grasp. Oh and throwing in the word imperial.....doesn't make it look more intelligent of your defending those Iranians.

Moreover sounds like that Shia propaganda.

 

Iran is not the only country trying to advance their agenda by spreading propaganda. Hardly a good reason to go to war. It seems neo-cons are making a comeback.

 

Well for those in the ME that death and destruction has been going on for 2000 years or more. The US policy seem to play both ends against the middle in the beginning. Then Iran made it easier for the US to lean more in the opposite direction than support Iranians.

Not that I would trust either with much of anything.

Although, the Saud is the one with the financial power. And we all know its better to play with the money. Than those who don't have the money.

 

What do you think about running around and killing Americans and shouting Death and Destruction to America, are those good enough reasons?

 

Worse without who? The Anti Americans? No it wouldn't be worse.

 

Who said the US judges other Countries? Do you even know how alliances work?

Maybe self called Americans(wannabes) should learn about alliances and how they work before they open their pie holes.

 

Iran is killing Americans? Where?

No, bunch of loonies shouting stuff on the sidewalk is certainly not a good reason to go to war.

 

Well I don't hate bursting your bubble. Here, there, or anywhere. Iran doesn't have to wage a violent expansionist war across any region. To Kill Americans. When you figure that out. Let me know.

Oh and you don't speak for the majority of Americans who don't give a **** about your Iranians either. Matter of fact.....your Anti American mentality isn't even 20% of the country.

 

Did you miss the Iranians killing Americans in Iraq? Where were you? How did you not know?

Well when their leaders do it.....they aren't shouting stuff from the sidewalk. They are saying the **** from the seat of power.

 

Iraq? Certainly not a good reason to go to war.

Not in the sidewalk? You mean like a US Senator chanting "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran"?

Nonsense. Only a true neo-con would consider these things as good reasons to go to war.