Sphericity Inevitable From Semi-fluidity.

SPHERICITY INEVITABLE FROM SEMI-FLUIDITY.

An argument for the earth's rotundity is thought, by many, to be found in the following facts:

"Fluid or semi-fluid substances in a state of motion invariably assume the globular form, as instanced in rain, hail, dew, mercury, and melted lead, which, poured from a great height, as in the manufacture of small shot, becomes divided into spherical masses."

"There is abundant evidence, from geology, that the earth has been a fluid or semi-fluid mass, and it could not, therefore, continue in a state of motion through space without becoming spherical."

In the first place, in reply to the above, it is denied that hail is always globular. On examination immediately after or during a hail-storm, the masses present every variety of form, and very few are found perfectly globular. Rain and dew cannot so well be examined during their fall, but when standing on hard surfaces in minute quantities, they generally appear spherical, a result simply of "attraction of cohesion." The same of mercury; and in reference to the formation of shot, by pouring melted lead from the top of a very high tower into cold water, it is a mistake to suppose that all, or even a large proportion, is converted into truly spherical masses. From twenty to fifty per cent. of the masses formed are very irregular in shape, and have to be returned to the crucible for re-melting. In addition to which it may be remarked, that the tendency in falling fluids to become globular is owing to what, in chemical works, is called "attraction of cohesion" (not "attraction of gravitation "), which is very limited in its operation. Its action is confined to small quantities of matter. If, in the manufacture of shot, the melted metal is allowed to fall in masses of several ounces or pounds, instead of being divided (by pouring through a sieve or "cullender" with small holes) into particles weighing only a few grains, it will never take a spherical form. Shot of an inch diameter could not be made by this process; bullets of even half an inch can only be made by casting the metal into spherical moulds. In tropical countries the rain, instead of falling in drops, or small globules, often comes down in large irregular masses or gushes, which have no approximation whatever to sphericity. So that it is manifestly unjust to affirm, of large masses like the earth, that which attaches only to minute portions, or a few grains, of matter.

Without denying that the earth has been, at some former period, or was, when it first existed, in a pulpy or semi-fluid state, it is requisite to prove beyond all doubt that it has a motion through space, or the conclusion that it is therefore spherical is premature, and very illogical. It should also be proved that it has motion upon axes, or it is equally contrary to every principle of reasoning to affirm that the equatorial is greater than the polar diameter, as the inevitable result of the centrifugal force produced by its axial or diurnal rotation. The assumption of such conditions by Sir Isaac Newton, as we have seen when speaking of the measurement of arcs of the meridian, was contrary to evidence, and led to and maintains a "muddle of mathematics" such as philosophers will, sooner or later, be ashamed of. The whole matter,
taken together, entirely fails as an argument for the earth's rotundity. It has been demonstrated that axial and orbital motion do not exist, and, therefore, any argument founded upon and including them as facts is necessarily fallacious.

 

Your anecdotal evidence is very convincing...
on a more serious note, everything you just questioned has been proved; and most of it has been proved on the I don't believe in gravity thread. Every time we give you evidence you refudiate it with anecdotal evidence or some unprovable conspiracy theory.

 

so see the evidence and find the 'gravity'


the energy is causing it

not the mass

 

The OP is not a conspiracy theory, it is actually quite real.

 

Well your entire theory is in fact a conspiracy theory because you are saying that what is officially accepted as being the truth is false and that there are people or governments conspiring to keep the truth from being uncovered.

conspiracy theory noun
Definition of CONSPIRACY THEORY
: a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators
— conspiracy theorist noun

Regardless of that you provide absolutely no empirical evidence you cannot even provide a link to any kind of professional or trusted specialist that agrees with you. You say that it has been demonstrated, or proved, or shown; but you can't demonstrate or prove or show. We all know the mathematics behind Newton's ideas, and all the mathematicians and scientists that agree with him, now show us yours.

 

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May 1998


Just a few more.

 

I have done more than you have. You have invoked names such as Newton and mentioned how many others agree with him. History shows us that majorities do tend to side with ideas that are not always the right ones. Invoking majority will not suffice as empirical eveidence.

I am not a mathematician so I have not dealt with the mathmatics behind the shape of the earth. I have no doubt encountered equations in my studies and research, however I do not need equations, (that are many times based on things purely hypothetical), to learn the shape of the earth.

 

Finally, This is what I wanted all along. Now every time you make a claim just find something in all of your research to back it up. While mathematics can sometimes be wrong it is much more reliable than just observations.

 

So is the moon flat too?

I dont get what you're trying to prove really.

 

I personally do not suspect the moon as being a metallic disk as some others have. The major issue for me in terms of primacy is moonlight, as it is certainly not a reflection of purely solar emission. Peopl have known about the dangers and negative effects of moonlight for quite some time. Effects which sunlight does not have. Also, considering the shape and nature of the earth, a reflection to create cycles in the moon with phases would prove most difficult.

 

Still have no idea what this thread is about. I want to say you believe the earth is flat, and somehow believe your OP is a proof of this.

 

The OP is going against a popular belief and argument in favor of a spherical earth. Believers of an ellipsoid or geoid earth commonly say spherical instead.
There are many more arguments of course however I started with this one.

 

Are you trolling? For the 3rd time, what is your argument?

 

The argument was stated clearly in the OP, you have not understood it and I have attempted to afford you better insight into this most excellent subject.

An argument in favor of earths rotundity is promoting the idea of a spherical earth, or geoid or ellipsoid earth. Opposing this argument is clearly in favor of an earth which is not shaped in this manner. Do you understand now?

 

No I don't understand, because you state facts and not opinions.

Where are YOU in this jumble of jargon you post?

 

So you believe the earth is flat too?

I do not understand, I am promoting reality, thats all.

 

Nope, I just believe the facts you posted have no correlation with your argument. Raindrops don't form because of gravity, planets *do*.

"So convienent a thing it is to be a reasonable creature, since it enables one to find or make a reason for everything one has a mind to do."
-- Benjamin Franklin

 

If you do not recognize a correlation, it is because you are unaware of many of the arguments favoring earths alleged rotundity.

 

I see a basic fault with your logic. Everything you mentioned about fluids refer to atmospheric testing. For example: A raindrop falling through the air on Earth is subject to the frictional forces that alter its shape. Drops of liquids will form spheres in a weightless environment where they can float and not be significantly effected by atmosphere. In a weightless vacuum, fluids can generally be expected to form spheres.

 

There are examples referenced which have gone unmentioned. You have spoken about raindrops.