SPYGATE: Trump blasts Criminal Deep State amid reports of FBI informant spying on campaign

I'm saying there is no evidence of illegal wrongdoing by the FBI here and the only "evidence" offered so far has involved Trumpeters completely screwing up and making completely unsubstantiated claims that are contradicted by their own links. Chiefly: you folks are trying to claim entrapment in a way that involves either time-travelling FBI agents or just wildly claiming anyone and everyone who has ever had any knowledge of Trump team/Russia contact is a secret agent working for the FBI/CIA/Clinton campaign/Obama/George Soros or whatever the conspiracy theory flavor of the day is.

If you actually have any links proving that Misfud was working for he FBI -- keeping in mind that several people so far have claimed to have that evidence, claimed to have proved it, then read their links and had to either abandon the debate or admit they had nothing -- and you just sent the "wrong one," then I am eager to read it. If he actually was working for the FBI and the whole Trump/Russia thing is based on entrapment, that's extremely important. And extremely criminal. And fairy exonerating for team Trump.

 

Do you believe that the FBI or CIA spied on the Trump campaign?

 

Both were involved....

 

If by "spied" you mean the FBI found probable cause and engaged in lawful surveillance, like they do every day, then yes. That much has been established a while back. I don't know how this is a surprise to some people, but if the FBI gets credible information that a hostile foreign power is trying to influence a US political campaign, it is within their purview to investigate, and such investigation might involves some undercover work. So long as they have probably cause (*cough* Papadopoulos *cough*), and so long as they didn't entrap anyone (there is no evidence they have and most of the suggestions I've heard from Trump supporters here involve time travel), then where is the crime? If you are asking about unlawful "spying," then no, I see no evidence of that yet and none has been provided by the Trumpeters I have repeatedly asked.

 

And he seemed like such a nice unassuming lawyer, and his client a sincere porn star.

Pity CNN. This may be the first time ever sex didn't sell.

 

Both of theme seem more sincere than our president so far, unfortunately.

 

What was this credible evidence, and was it signed off by a judge? And if the Russians were involved in the Presidential election wouldn't it make sense to spy on both campaigns?

You mean that conversation Papadopulos had with the Aussie in London? It was Clapper who admitted to spying on the campaign btw. Spying is the term he used.

 

Some of the credible evidence they had that we already know about included Papadopoulos's inadvertent confession, though I'm sure the long history of Page's and Manafort's long history of being Russian puppets were considered, at least circumstantially as well. Judges don't sign off on evidence. They sign off on warrants. As for spying on both campaigns, only one campaign that we know of was directly contacted by open, self-identified Russian assets offering to collude and welcomed with open arms.

Yes, that was a big one, and that was apparently the one that kicked off the investigation.

See previous "If by 'spying'" comments.

 

Maybe the Trumplanders are working on the principle that if they believe and promote so much inane bullshit that sensible, sane peeps will actually die of embarrassment.

 

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What did he confess to that would implicate Russians being involved in the Trump campaign?

But you do know that Russians were involved in the Steele dossier, correct? That is clear evidence of Russian involvement in the Presidential campaign, but in Hillary Clinton's camp. Isn't that correct?

Why would a drunken conversation between an American and an Aussie in London kick off an international investigation? Doesn't that strike you as odd, given the subject matter?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v..._that_the_fbi_was_spying_on_his_campaign.html

 

The fact that they had reached out the campaign. The fact that Russian assets had told him, a member of the campaign, about the stolen emails.

Which I've said over and over and over and over and over and over again they deserve investigation for as well? But the only Russian "involvement" in the dossier we know of is that there were Russian informants that Steele relied on at some point.

But the investigation into the Trump team predates the Steele dossier, because their connections to the Russians were established before then. Not that I expect you will actually address that fact.

So, let's see if I get this right:

The Clinton team: hires a law firm who hires an intelligence group who hires a British dude who questioned Russians and who had already been working on his dossier previously, who didn't complete under their employ, finished the dossier and gave it to the FBI after he was no longer being paid by the Clinton campaign -- well that's just "clear evidence of Russian involvement" in the Clinton campaign according to you? Really? I mean, I agree they should be investigated (shall I mention that two dozen more times or has that sunk in now?), but calling it clear evidence would only make sense if you at least held the Trump folks to the same standard. So let's see about that standard.

The Trump team: was contacted by Russians with the offer of Russian collusion, directly, and said "Let's meet." But that's not "clear evidence of Russian involvement?" . . . especially compared to the above? Sorry, but I'm starting to doubt we live on the same planet.

No. Not if the drunken conversation involved the American telling the Aussie about his recent contacts. Which is apparently even what Papadopoulos says happened. If that DIDN'T result in an investigation when the Aussies reported it, that would be odd.

Cute. I already addressed that. Take a look.

 

Clapper explicitly says that the intelligence community was NOT spying on the Trump campaign. He says they were surveilling the Russian attempts to influence the election.

Any politician should be happy about federal agencies investigating foreign governments that try to influence American elections. Unless you are Trump and you are not only the beneficiary of that influence but also don't care how you win. A dirty and illegitimate win, for Trump, is still a win.

 

Where were the Russians Clapper spied on?

 

Yeah, he went on TV, disgraced and debased his office by bellowing a ridiculous and completely false conspiracy theory.

The world's intelligence agencies have a pretty good idea what went on in the 2016 Presidential election in the United States.

Aside from the President's petulant twelve year old tempermant, this is a major factor in why no world leaders trust him (or us) or take him seriously.

 

You have to understand that this is a right wing noise campaign.

Actual evidence does not matter. Trump knows that this is all made up.

And he also knows that his fan base is already primed for the made up narrative and will believe it uncritically no matter what the actual facts are.

 

And, worse, we've got some in the House trying to add some legitimacy to the "noise campaign" . . . one of whom was part of the Trump team and has been caught abusing his office to act as PR for the White House. Today he's viewing the FBI's informant info and I'm sure he'll be out there putting his spin on it. At least the gang of 8 will also get the chance to review it.

 

Trump harping about transparency but won't release tax returns and lies about hidden business dealings and transactions all over the world. Lol

 

True.

And, on topic:

The whole notion of "Spygate" is utter BS, aimed at the low-information RW Tinfoil Hat crowd.

 

Then why not investigate the person who told him that? This must have been the first tuime the FBI became interested in those thousands of missing Emails and they expected a 27 year old George Papadapoluc to break the case for them, huh?

Yes, there were genuine Russian informants involved with the DNC and yet this is not being investigated. Instead a conversation in a London pub gets all the attantion. Is this normal FBI procedure? Not only that the information gained from these Russians was used to gain a FISA in order to spy on Americans and a Presidential campaign. Is this general FBI protocol?

Both campaigns had "connections to Russians" but this is not in itself illegal. Implementing a FISA based on a fake dossier from the Russians, or anyone, is illegal.

Do you know who paid Steele for this dossier? Do you know what Fusion GPS does? You seem to be missing a few of the facts if that's your understanding.

It seems they met a very low level Russian lawyer, fast tracked by the DOJ into the States but never discussed anything of interest and the meeting soon ended. What was illegal here?

So third hand conversations in London barrs are now the possible subject of intense FBI investigations? That would be odd.

The FBI and Clapper said they were not spying on the Trump campaign and now it's admitted. The Samp iis going to have to do a lot of lawyering up.

 

He specifically used the word 'spying' and you seem to feel that surveilling' is a better word'.

They should have been spying on Russians rather than campaign workers.

 

Who are you referring to here?

 

Devin Nunes.

 

They were investigating the contact between the two of them. As they should have. His "level" has nothing to do with whether or not this should have been of interest to the campaign. Russians were trying to infiltrate a Presidential campaign. And you guys really, really need to get your story straight. If he was such a "low level" guy that he didn't matter . . . why was it "spying on the campaign" to find out if the tip about the Russians was true?

And I repeat for the dozenth time, they should be investigated too, though the "involvement" here isn't even remotely close to what was going on with the Trump team.

Even Nunes and Gowdy admit that the dossier was corroborated with other evidence.

The connection between the Clinton campaign and Russians was that the campaign hired a law firm that hired an intelligence firm that hired a British intelligence analyst who got intel from Russians. And, as I've said, that deserves investigation. The connection between the Trump campaign and Russians is that Russians contacted them offering to collude and the campaign pursued the offer. It really scrapes the bottom of the barrel of intellectual dishonesty to claim those two things are equivalent.

The dossier wasn't from the Russians. It was from Steel. And it was apparently corroborated with other intel. So, no, no evidence it was illegal for the FBI to include it in their FISA warrant request.

Fusion GPS paid Steele, although he never completed a dossier for them. He completed the dossier after he was no longer working for them. And Fusion GPS is an intelligence firm.

Then show what was incorrect.

Bwahaha, that's a good one. Let's just ignore the fact that she had been a lawyer for the Russian equivalent of the CIA, she had lobbied for the Russian government for years, she had ties to the highest legal authority in Russia and she has now admitted to being an intelligence asset. Good one.

So many things wrong with that premise. Your "never discussed anything of interest" claim requires us to take the word of people who lied about every other aspect of the meeting. They tried to cover up its existence they lied about the purpose of the meeting, but you want to trust them about what took place in the meeting? That's an interesting choice. Also, let's say we just go ahead and trust their testimony. Okay, so the lawyer says she talked to them about the Magnitsky act and questionable financial activity involving Clinton, but that they didn't seem to get what she was saying and weren't interested. She also says she handed over some documents to Junior. Here's the problem: the pretext of the meeting was a plot to commit a felony. Despite the lies they tried peddling about the purpose of the meeting, we now know that they went in expecting to get something of value from a foreign source to help the campaign. Again, that's a felony. An additional problem: planning to commit a felony and taking any step toward doing so, such as attending a meeting for said felony, is itself a crime regardless of whether or not the underlying crime came to fruition. It is called criminal conspiracy.

But even setting all of that aside: the meeting proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that senior members of the Trump campaign in the very least attempted to do exactly the thing that you guys are calling a "witch hunt" to even look into. That's how far things have fallen.

Keep up the spin, but no, there is nothing odd about the FBI looking into a credible tip that Russians are trying to influence a presidential campaign. What is odd is that you've somehow managed to convince yourself that it is.

I've responded to this multiple times. See my previous responses.

 

Right.

 

And yet, for some as yet unexplained reason , the Hillary campaign, after SEEKING OUT and PAYING $MILLIONS for CONTACT WITH THE RUSSIANS, just didn't "need the same 'protections' ".

Spare us the silliass CYA bullshit the Soros sites have spoonfed you.