Stabbing at Gay Parade Shows Flaws in Netanyahu's Security for Israelis

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  1. Samuel Nixon

    Samuel Nixon Banned

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    A recent slaughter on the gay parade in Jerusalem became a reason for this thread. I think you know that as a result 6 people got stabbed. And the whole pride parade became a massacre.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-...2062.html?utm_hp_ref=gay-voices&ir=Gay Voices

    A lot of liberally adjusted mass media naturally picked the news up to have a chance to assert the rights of homosexuals, and to criticize the policy of Bibi Netanyahu at the same time.
    But I have a logical question. Do all countries and all political systems have to be gay tolerant and to recognize same-sex marriages? Jerusalem is the city of three religions. These are Christianity, Islam and Judaism. The majority of the believers of all religions don't recognize same-sex relationships. Hell with them, with religions. Unless our president had some personal and political interests for that America wouldn't be tolerant to homosexuality either.
    I consider it is possible and necessary to impose only the positive changes. To generalize education for all, gender equality,age respect, etc.
    And if to impose disputable and even dangerous values, it is possible to drown yourself and to drown all around.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    That depends upon whether their nation is established based upon the principle that "all people are created equal and endowed with certain inalienable rights" or if their nation is based upon invidious criteria that denies the inalienable rights of the person. Religion is historically the source of most violations of the inalienable rights of the person which is why the founders of America rejected Christianity as the foundation for our government.

    Other nations like Iran (a Muslim nation) and Israel (a Jewish nation) are inherently tyrannical and will always violate the inalienable rights of the person based upon the invidious foundation of their governments.
     
  3. Samuel Nixon

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    okay, I don't share but can understand your point of view.
    But do you think that Muslim or Jewish tyranny has to be replace with more tolerant ideologies?
    In my view they have a right to exist on their own way.Cause people of Muslim nations don't want some other ideology...
     
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    The punishment of homosexuality is the death penalty in most Sunni countries, so I doubt all countries would become tolerant someday.
     
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    If other countries wanna hand out the death penalty for homosexuality, let them. Their borders, their rules, unless they can slammed with sanctions or something for disregarding human rights.

    As for countries that do tolerate/approve of homosexuality, congrats we're already somewhat better on the issue than other ones.
     
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    I would think that after 2,000 years of religious people targeting gay people with everything from imprisonment to chemical castration, that
    maybe, just maybe, gay people should be given a bit of a break.
     
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    These countries do exist in their way of legally practicing abuse, jailing, discrimination, rape, and murder.

    But all civilized country should in no way support, cooperate, support arms or condone these countries. We should cut off their money and support, and let them fend for themselves if they don't want to be civilized countries.
     
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    always got to be someone for the fanatics to hate, whiches, gays, whatever.... sad

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    Have to? That's kind of a silly way to ask.

    Israel does not "have to" tolerate gays any more than China "has to" tolerate free speech or Hitler "has to" tolerate Jews.

    Morality is not required to run a country.
     
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    I prefer the rights of individuals to the so-called collectivist "rights" of countries and ideologies.
     
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    I don't think we should be the world's police on social issues, especially this one, it's too volatile.

    What other countries permit regarding gay marriages and the like is completely up to them. I will, however, go on record as saying those countries shouldn't torture, kill, financially penalize or otherwise treat gays like second class citizens.
     
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    Changing a core belief that's been around for centuries will not happen quickly...if it even happens at all.
     
  13. Steve N

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    There are some words we use today that have completely lost their meaning, hate is one of them, racist is another. Have you ever truly hated someone? Hate, at least to me, means you want to see them dead. Anything less than that is not hate.

    In my life I've only hated one person.
     
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    Nope....only free and pleasant ones.
     
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    So, is a country free and pleasant if it tolerates pedophilia? I'm guessing you think a tolerant country is one that practices American progressivism and anything less is oppressive.
     
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    What is the fixation you folks have with playing with kids, having multiple wives, and calling on Jesus.

    Dayum guys...this is about the gay.
     
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    I guess it depends what you mean by "have to"...

    Are we going to invade over gay rights? I guess it depends how much oil they have...

    Are we going to cut off trade or impose sanctions? I guess it depends how much money U.S. business can make there ...
     
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    Short answer: No (so long as they are democracies*).

    That being said, where would you get the idea that the anti-gay policies of other countries should be free from criticism? Are we required to trade with nations whose policies we don't like?




    *Non-Democracies have no rights anyway, so it is largely irrelevant whether or not they tolerate homos
     
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    Every society has to have a point of"no". Where the line goes is important. And there have to be very good reasons for it or what you get is tyranny. What is a good reason to criminalise gay people? I can't think of one. Is there a good reason to criminalise sex between adults and children? I can think of plenty. Generally speaking, "because my religion says so", is not a good reason for anything to do with secular society.
     
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    the only ones that keep talking about sex with children is some of those on the right.... why do they keep asking questions like this?

    consenting adults... has nothing to do with children.... period...

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    Maybe I'm pondering converting to Islam. Do you want to criticize me now?
     
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    what does that have to do with anything

    God got marry pregnant at 12 and she had a baby at 13 regardless if your a Christian or a Muslim as it's the same God, same Mary, same Jesus regardless of the religion

    consenting adults... has nothing to do with children (they can't give consent).... period... regardless what religion you believe in.....

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    OR they know the truth about homosexuality. They know it's a sterile relationship that is based on sodomy. The exit is just that...it aint no entrance. It violates nature. No procreation, just sex...No offspring without science, or forcing oneself to do what they do not believe in...bolts and nuts, not nuts and nuts or bolts and bolts...Anything that is built to last has a male and female counterpart.

    Maybe, there is some nation that stands against what the very few try and cram down their throats. You do not have to have religion to know this is an abomination. I simply go with nature's call on this, and Mother nature has done a pretty good job. It's man's stupid creations that screw things up. LITERALLY!!
     
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    Your title said "Countries" when it should have been People.

    We The People live in America the Free. We set the standard for many other Countries because we are advanced. The way we act is reflected in other Countries, mostly 3rd world that think they had it (R)ight to begin with.
     
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    No they do not and that includes the US. Some try to say gays should get "equal protection under the law" but not accepting them should be legal. All of a sudden those who preached tolerance in the past have became the intolerant ones who want to punish anyone that disagrees with them.
     

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