Stacey Abrams says 'no such thing' as 6-week fetal heartbeat: 'Manufactured sound'

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  1. FreshAir

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    we have the Trump family emails, the Trump tower meeting happened, Trump just failed to pull it off - but that is for anouther topic
     
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    doesn't really matter, the heart is not what makes you you

    in fact if you had an artificial heart, you would still be you
     
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    the truth is, our bodies are a shell, we enter them when they are ready to support us, and leave them sometimes before the body dies

    and if you believe the bible, sometimes you can be stuck in the body for days after your body dies, like was said to have happened to Jesus
     
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    You can't have a heartbeat until there is a heart. So Abrams is correct.
     
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    :worry: ~ Stacey Abrams may have a heartbeat — but her IQ is in question ... :no:'
     
  6. Bluesguy

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    It is a unique, separate human being...........a person.

    Why are you harping on the word and denying it's meaning? That somehow justifies killing that person?
     
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    Yes I follow the science don't you? Biology is correct there are females of the species and males of the species that some people pretend to be the other notwithstanding. The rest of you post being specious nonsense.
     
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    It is the heartbeat of a human being at that stage of their life.
     
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    It is the heart of a human being at that stage of their life.
     
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    They have the mind of a human being at that stage of the human being's life. And not all beings have minds there are LOTS of beings that don't have minds. As early as three weeks the basic nerves and brain begin to develop and function as the beginnings of the autonomous nervous system. This first heartbeats are evidence of that nervous system, mind, that is controlling the growth and existence of the baby in the womb. As primitive as it may be at that point it is still the body controlling itself and regulating itself through that nervous system.
     
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    It is a unique separate human being at that point........a person.

    Once again you have to deny things to support your position that mother should be able to kill their unborn babies.
     
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    nope, just a group of cells, not a person

    no different from an egg that was feralized then miscarried within days

    no different from the extras in a petri dish from in vitro pregnancy attempts
     
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    So you read my post and didn't pick up anything that so much as MIGHT have been sarcasm? Hmm...maybe, as a nation, we're farther gone than I figured.
     
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    There is no heartbeat at 6 weeks. What you may have is a cardiac impulse, an electronic impulse, that may occur at 5, 6, 7, or even 8 weeks. An actual heartbeat is not heard until well in the second trimester, almost the beginning of the third trimester.

    https://www.wired.com/story/heartbeat-bills-get-the-science-of-fetal-heartbeats-all-wrong/
     
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    The actual heartbeat, yes it can be manufactured. But as I said, the "manufactured by men" is more of the dramatic hyperbole that she is using.
     
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    No its not. Every OB/GYN will tell you that. An actual heart with an actual heartbeat will not occur until midway to the late second trimester.
     
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    So men manufactured a heartbeat sound to control women?
     
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    Our OB/GYN says your OB/GYN lied to you. False claim dismissed.
     
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    So you're saying that an early developed heart contracts due to cardiac and electronic impulses, but it's not a heartbeat. People are so gullible. Glenn Kessler from Washington Post said something equally stupid citing other activists making silly claims.
     
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    Why “heartbeat bill” is a misleading name for Texas’ near-total abortion ban


    Medical and reproductive health experts say the reference to a heartbeat is medically inaccurate as an embryo does not have a developed heart at six weeks’ gestation.

    ...Dr. Nisha Verma, a physician who provides abortion services and a fellow at the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, said the activity measured on an ultrasound in early gestation is electrical impulses, not a true heartbeat.

    “When I use the stethoscope to listen to a patient’s heart, that sound that I hear is that typical bum-bum-bum-bum that you hear as the heartbeat is created by the opening and closing of the cardiac valves. And at six weeks of gestation, those valves don’t exist,” Verma said.

    ...These bills are based on model legislation from Faith2Action Ministries, a Christian anti-abortion organization that defines a fetal heartbeat as a marker of “an unborn human individual.”

    https://www.texastribune.org/2021/09/02/texas-abortion-heartbeat-bill/

    The correct medical term for what’s observed at this point is “cardiac activity,” said Dr. Sarah Prager, a professor of obstetrics and gynecology at University of Washington Medicine.

    “It’s not until about 10 weeks that there is an actual structure that has four tubes and connects to the lungs and major vascular system like we would think of as a heart,” she said.

    It’s around 10 weeks of pregnancy that the embryo becomes a fetus. It remains a fetus until birth.

    But defining a heartbeat is tricky even after 10 weeks, said Dr. Nisha Verma, an OB/GYN who spoke on behalf of the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, because the heart continues to develop over the course of the pregnancy.


    It’s not until around 17 to 20 weeks, when the four chambers of the heart have developed and can be detected on an ultrasound, that the term heartbeat is accurate, according to ACOG.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/wome...fetal-heartbeat-six-weeks-pregnancy-rcna24435
     
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    ^^^^^^

    It’s not until around 17 to 20 weeks, when the four chambers of the heart have developed and can be detected on an ultrasound, that the term heartbeat is accurate, according to ACOG .American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists

    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/wome...fetal-heartbeat-six-weeks-pregnancy-rcna24435
     
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    It’s not until around 17 to 20 weeks, when the four chambers of the heart have developed and can be detected on an ultrasound, that the term heartbeat is accurate, according to ACOG. American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists

    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/wome...fetal-heartbeat-six-weeks-pregnancy-rcna24435
     
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    Dr Nisha Verma is a political activist and abortion provider who announces herself with pronouns. Nobody has said there's a "bum-bum-bum-bum" as there is in a fully formed heart. That doesn't change the fact that the organ is a heart and it is contracting due to the nervous system sending it electical signals.
     
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    You need to look up the definition of heartbeat. It's a pulsation of the heart. That's what happens when the fetal heart receives an electrical signal from the nervous system.
     
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    Opinions of tabloids aren't convincing. I read from a medical source that heart beats are detectible say 6.5 weeks.
     

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