Stacey Abrams says 'no such thing' as 6-week fetal heartbeat: 'Manufactured sound'

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  1. CornPop

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    Also, ultrasounds don't show electrical impulses. But, they show the result of those electrical impulses which is the fetal heart pulsating. AKA- a heartbeat.
     
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    You should tell that to the

    American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists
     
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    Medical source? Oh you mean propogandist

    American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists says 17-20 weeks
     
  5. Polydectes

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    coming from the guy that posted information from a tabloid.
    Ultrasonic images proove them wrong.
     
  6. Bluesguy

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    Well yes it is and every embryologist and biologist will tell you so. That is the stage of development of the heart and it is firing it's spark of life as it will do until that new human being dies. It the the body starting it's self regulation of it's systems as it will do for the rest of the new human beings life. The question is will that be until the mother decides to kill it because she doesn't want it to live or later it's life do to either another tragedy or hopefully natural causes.
     
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    You seem to be focused on some sound being made as the determinator here. That is utter biological nonsense. The heart forms in the first weeks, the primordial heart we all begin with.

    Embryology of the Conduction System for the Electrophysiologist
    Sultan Mirzoyev,1 Christopher J McLeod, MB, ChB, PhD,2 and Samuel J Asirvatham, MD2,3,4

    .....The tubular primordial heart is formed during early cardiogenesis from the fusion of two endothelial strands of cardiac mesoderm [8]. Each strand is continuous cranially with a dorsal aorta (the outflow tract), and caudally with a vitteloumbilical vein (the inflow tract). This cylindrical structure subsequently loops and segmentally dilates, hence forming the segments, the basis of the cardiac chambers. After looping, several segments exist and are connected at 'transitional zones' [9]. The sinus venosus, which forms the venous inflow chamber, the ventricular inlet segment, and the outlet segments ultimately septate and divide to form the AV valves and outflow tracts of the mature heart. This combination of tubular growth, looping, and expansion of the cavitary myocardium, is the basic initiating step [1] and like all steps in the developing organism is driven by a cascade of regulatory genes and transcription factors. It is important to note that concurrent with the basic chamber development, separate transcription factors simultaneously coordinate the development of the cardiac conduction system [10]. The first indication of cardiac contraction occurs around 23 days after conception in the human and peristalsis of the tubular heart [11]. Primitive coordinated and sequential chamber contraction occurs soon after looping of the heart and is subsequently initiated by the primordial atrium which acts as the interim pacemaker of the heart. Following that, the sinus venosus adopts this function, finally to be usurped by the sinoatrial node develops during the fifth week [12].

    During the first and second month of embryonic development, continued looping of the heart moves the ventricles inferior to the atria, and atrial and ventricular septa begin to form.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar...sinus venosus,ventricular septa begin to form.


    The sinoatrial node is where the spark of life is created by specialized cells.
     
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    It is a barely differentiated tube
     
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    Do you not understand the irony when you're the one advocating for the death of humans in the womb? This has to be a joke. I thought you were serious, but I cannot believe for a second that someone could present an argument this obtuse and ignorant in a serious way.
     
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    The heartbeat might not be heard very early in the pregnancy, but there is a heart and it beats from the embryonic stage.

    See chart in source.
    "It may be possible to hear the heartbeat of an embryo from the fifth week of pregnancy. However, a scan at this stage is unlikely to show anything related to the embryo’s heartbeat."

    When does a fetus have a heartbeat? Timing and more (medicalnewstoday.com)
     
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    they are manufacturing a heartbeat of a fetus at six weeks to obtain emotional support for the fetus in their anti-abortion campaign ads or with proposed bills, like the Texas "Heartbeat" bill. .
     
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    How about an actual OB/GYN.

     
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    there is no heart, period. It has not developed yet. What you are hearing is a cardiac impulse or an electronic impulse, nothing more, nothing less. That impulse is separate from the mother and that is how they can tell if the fetus is viable or not.

    The basis of the heart is formed, but not the actual heart. This is like saying after laying the cornerstone of the building, the building is now almost complete.
     
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    With the college of Obstraticians, didn't he just do that?
     
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    That is based on a religious perspective, not a scientific one. Humans, or what constitutes a human is a matter of philosophical/religious debate. And not even Christians, Jews, or even Muslims can agree on this universally. All life begins at "conception" not all life is automatically a human being. The more accurate question is when does a human being begin and that is not always an easy answer as described in the link below. Although the author contends that a human embryo is a human being, it may not be life in and of itself yet until further development.

    https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/wdhbb.html
     
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    No they won't because that is a huge contention within those fields and how they describe the birth process. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, the medical field that actually delivers babies for a living and sometimes may have to perform an abortion says otherwise. You just can't ignore them for political purposes.

    but you may want to look up the medical protocols for an ectopic pregnancy. Care to guess what that is?
     
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    Oh but it is, highly specialized and helping to regulate the systems of the tiny human being.
     
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    There is no heart in a 6 week embryo that's the size of a lentil bean.
     
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    No sir. She says the sound itself, not that the argument is manufactured, but the sound itself is manufactured. Do you agree with her?
     
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    You’re wrong.
     
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    I quoted you from the textbooks You just can't ignore the science for political purposes.

    ".....The tubular primordial heart is formed during early cardiogenesis from the fusion of two endothelial strands of cardiac mesoderm [8]. ...

    ... The first indication of cardiac contraction occurs around 23 days after conception in the human and peristalsis of the tubular heart [11]. "


    I know full well what is an ectopic pregnancy which has nothing to do with the heart that develops within the first weeks nor abortion at all.

    "Pregnancy begins when a fertilized egg attaches to the lining of a woman’s uterus. In an ectopic pregnancy, the egg implants outside the uterus, usually in the fallopian tube.

    That tragic—but rare—event puts the mother’s life in grave danger. It occurs in 1% to 2% of pregnancies, but is responsible for 4% to 10% of maternal deaths. Untreated, it can cause the fallopian tube to rupture, which ends the life of the baby and likely the mother as well.

    Treating an ectopic pregnancy is different from having an abortion. Abortion is an intentional, unnatural procedure that kills the baby in the womb. An ectopic procedure, in contrast, attempts to save the life of both mother and unborn child. A number of treatment options are available, but each seeks to separate the embryo from the fallopian tubes.

    Since abortion has been the cheap and easy option for so long, improvements in women’s health have not kept up with science. Medical technology is not able to reimplant the embryo in the uterus, saving the life of the baby. A miscarriage is tragically inevitable.

    Unlike abortion, the goal in an ectopic pregnancy is to save the life of the baby. Bold, state-level protections for life will likely lead to innovations in ectopic care in the near future.

    Doctors successfully saved the life of a woman suffering from a ruptured ectopic pregnancy in 1883. Similar procedures have continued in the United States since, even with pre-Roe protections for life on the books.

    Doctors are fully aware that an ectopic pregnancy is not an abortion, and state law has similarly recognized it. "
    https://www.heritage.org/life/comme...ord-straight-ectopic-pregnancies-and-abortion
     
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    And now that Ms. Abrams has disclosed this plot against women with the "fake heartbeat" let's let the Babylon Bee add a few more of these conspiracies against women to convince them babies are actually alive.

    1. Baby pictures - An obvious ploy to maintain the nefarious lie that all living humans started off as babies. What a crock!
    2. Morning sickness - Another brilliant construct of the patriarchy, whereby men secretly add small amounts of poison to a woman's daily coffee for about three months and then stop. Mwahaha!
    3. Ultrasound videos - All of those videos showing babies responding to their mother's voice are clearly deep fakes.
    4. Weight gain during "pregnancy" - In fact, a cabal of men secretly put extra calories in a woman's food for nine months so they get fat and then think there's a life growing in them. What commitment!
    5. Genetic testing - Actually, the entire field of genetics is a complete fraud, developed to subjugate women by making them think babies have their own unique DNA.
    6. Feeling the "baby" move - Nothing more than the Taco Bell you ate for lunch. Steer clear of the chalupas.
    7. Crying sound when "baby" is born - Ha! That's just the nurse weeping because of how ugly that little blob of cells is. Oldest trick in the book.
    8. Deep, profound sense of love moms feel towards their babies - Nothing but a CIA mind control satellite, right Stacey?
    https://babylonbee.com/news/eight-m...e=The Babylon Bee Newsletter&utm_medium=email
     
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    Your heart was not 4 chamber when it started beating, scroll back I posted from the Embryology textbooks which trump your laymans misunderstanding of the science.
     
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    Once more

    "It’s not until around 17 to 20 weeks, when the four chambers of the heart have developed and can be detected on an ultrasound, that the term heartbeat is accurate, according to ACOG .American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists''
     
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    Before about week 8 of pregnancy, a doctor may refer to the fetus as an embryo.

    The heart of an embryo starts to beat from around 5–6 weeks of pregnancy. Also, it may be possible to see the first visible sign of the embryo, known as the fetal pole, at this stage.

    The heart of a fetus is fully developed by the 10th week of pregnancy. Learn more about the development of the heart from weeks 5–10 below:
    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/when-does-a-fetus-have-a-heartbeat
     

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