Stacey Abrams says 'no such thing' as 6-week fetal heartbeat: 'Manufactured sound'

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Those are rightwing cites and the ACOBGYN does not refute it nor claim otherwise.

    The Science Behind Embryonic Heartbeats – A Fact Sheet
    Charlotte Lozier Institute | November 3, 2021


    Click here to download PDF version: The Science Behind Embryonic Heartbeats – A Fact Sheet



    1. There is a functional, beating heart in every human being by 6 weeks of gestation[1]
    • The heart is the embryo’s first functioning organ, which starts to develop as early as 16 days after fertilization.[2]
    • The first heartbeat occurs approximately day 22-23 after fertilization, which is the 6th week of gestation in pregnancy.[3]
    • The heart forms very early in embryogenesis because the embryo’s survival requires circulation of oxygen-carrying blood, a fact that is validated by all embryology textbooks.
    • The fetal heart is a vital source for oxygen and nutrient distribution, because passive oxygen diffusion that sustains the embryo earlier in gestation becomes insufficient to support the embryo’s continued existence.
    • Initially, the embryonic heart rate is, on average, 110 beats per minute, and increases to approximately 170 beats per minute at 9-10 weeks’ gestation.
    • Even at this early stage, the heart has primitive heart valves that act as physical barriers that prevent the backflow of blood through the heart tube and assist in the forward propulsion of blood as it is pumped through the heart and out through the rest of the body.
    https://lozierinstitute.org/the-science-behind-embryonic-heartbeats-a-fact-sheet/


    In the splanchnopleuric mesenchyme on either side of the neural plate, a horseshoe-shaped area develops as the cardiogenic region. This has formed from cardiac myoblasts and blood islands as forerunners of blood cells and vessels.[5] By day 19, an endocardial tube begins to develop in each side of this region. These two tubes grow and by the third week have converged towards each other to merge, using programmed cell death to form a single tube, the tubular heart.[6]

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_development
     
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    You didn't even though you commemorate one of the greatest speeches by a President with your avatar?
     
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    Don't understand sarcasm huh? I guess that's why we pulled out of Iraq in 2003 right?
     
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    He didn't pull out thankfully and nothing sarcastic about his speech I bet you didn't listen to it nor ever read it. What about it gets your dander up?
     
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    Anybody who actually thinks about morality less superficially than mommy or god said so. You know that objects and living cells without minds cannot suffer. Therefore, they do not need rights. Same for a zygote.
     
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    Oh the old "zygote' bs. Next you will say blacks are subhuman so it is ok to own them like farm animals.
     
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    Planned Parenthood, John Hopkins, and the vast majority of doctors who don't introduce themselves with obvious pronouns disagree with you. This game of fallacious appeals to authority is not a game you can win because the science is clear that you are wrong.
     
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    *LOL*

    Jesus.

    Source?
     
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    I'm waiting to hear from super smart Herschel Walker.
     
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    Hey look Walker prob has CTE. Don’t pick on disabled people
     
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    Right the 60,000 or so baby doc's, obstetricians, who do belong to that group, are simple going along with their group, lol

    Science says

    Rather, at six weeks of pregnancy, an ultrasound can detect "a little flutter in the area that will become the future heart of the baby," said Dr. Saima Aftab, medical director of the Fetal Care Center at Nicklaus Children's Hospital in Miami. This flutter happens because the group of cells that will become the future "pacemaker" of the heart gain the capacity to fire electrical signals, she said.


    But the heart is far from fully formed at this stage, and the "beat" isn't audible; if doctors put a stethoscope up to a woman's belly this early on in her pregnancy, they would not hear a heartbeat, Aftab told Live Science. (What's more, it isn't until the eighth week of pregnancy that the baby is called a fetus; prior to that, it's still considered an embryo, according to the Cleveland Clinic.)


    "...A lot of the heart development is still ongoing" during the first trimester, she said.

    https://www.livescience.com/65501-fetal-heartbeat-at-6-weeks-explained.html
     
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    --and vote for them?
     
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    Y’all voted for Biden. Why not?
     
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    No comparison. You really can't tell the difference between a thinking, feeling human and a mindless bunch of tissue? I know that it resembles a baby before it has a mind, but still.
     
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    Nope, it is the same tactic used by those who support genocide.
     
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    They get angry if you don't use their words because they know what they believe is wrong so don't use their words. Call it what it is a baby that triggers them.

    Even though when you see protesters in certain silly little dramatic demonstrations they're always carrying dolls that resemble babies. So they know exactly what it is they're just trying to sanitize the language.

    Refuse the newspeak
     
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    She's so fat her blood type is rocky road. Lol. I couldn't resist.
     
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    The Science is clear, men cannot have babies.

    Planned Parenthood Director Claims That Men Can Get Pregnant During Hearing.

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    'Republican Georgia Rep. Andrew Clyde asked Dr. Bhavik Kumar if biological men have the capacity to get pregnant and give birth. The Planned Parenthood director responded in the affirmative.'

    'He then read Kumar’s opening statement, in which the doctor called abortion bans “inherently racist, inherently classist and fundamentally part of the white supremacy agenda.” His statement prompted the representative to ask how he can justify working for Planned Parenthood, given that the organization was founded by Margaret Sanger.'

    “Margaret Sanger’s entire focus was to decimate communities of color through abortion to eliminate their future generations,” the representative said. “How many abortions have you performed in your lifetime?”

    “Likely thousands,” Kumar answered.
     
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    No I am right, or more precisely, the OB/GYN is right, whom I quoted.
     
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    that is the cardiac impulse. There is no heart. For the heart, there has to be four parts to the heart. And what you quoted from the "textbook" does not make your argument because you are misconstruing what you are reading, as always I might add,.

    Second, abortion is "not the cheap and easy" method. It is a difficult decision that no male can understand in their lifetime, period. For the average abortion, the person is young, alone, unsure, scared, etc. Their boyfriend will likely say its not theirs and that they are too young to start a family. The parents of the mother are flabbergasted and may not want to help raise the child. And there are other factors involved. All of which you have no knowledge or experience in.

    The rest of your post is pure political garbage, but what to expect from a person who lives in the state that is dead last at everything.
     
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    Yes and no.
     
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    No I am not. I was pointing out that even in religion, it is not that clear. That is fact.

    but if you want dehumanization, I can apply that concept to you specifically., Want to have a go at it?
     
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    What do you think an ultrasound actually does?
     
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    They are misusing science for political purposes. Much like Eugenics or RW "climate change" statistics. It's misleading at best, wrong at its worst.
     
  25. Bluesguy

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    Nope it is your side that ignores the science, the biology and embryology for political purposes as I have repeatedly shown.
     
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