Star Wars: The Last Jedi An open hate letter to Star Wars Fans, boys and men.

Star Wars: The Last Jedi An open hate letter to Star Wars Fans, boys and men.



I have not seen this movie. I am writing a review of it based upon spoiler reviews I’ve watched and read and I think I know enough about the story and character to think the makers of this movie hate me. I’m not giving them one red cent.

Example of a review: The Last Jedi: The Worst Star Wars Movie Ever Made

It begs fans to NOT see this movie. And this reviewer is not alone.

Every man is a dolt, an ********, a fool or all of the above. But purple haired women like General Gender Studies? She’s awesome. And a leader. All the leaders are women. While in the real world, some 95% of military casualties are male. Example of stats, “425 female and 14,982 male subjects who sustained musculoskeletal injuries from October 2003 (beginning of hostilities in Iraq) to December 2012.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26101910

It does away with the concept of rigor. One need not study the force, the way men studied to become samurai. Nope. Rigor is overvalued. This is a real position out there claiming it privileges white males.



The main character of the Last Jedi is a Mary Sue. She can do anything without study. Fix and fly spaceships, fight, use the force… hell, being from a desert planet she can even swim!

I recently watched a vid about why SJW comic books appear to be written by people that hate their own characters. They dream of getting to write for major IPs like Star Wars. And then destroying them. Appears Kathleen Kennedy got this wish.



https://i.redditmedia.com/_dx7VB8xv...jpg?w=1024&s=c60f3deff2cb8d3c9657b6d9c38b349e

To heck with them. I don't think Star Wars can be fixed. But who, at the top, decided to green light a hate letter to the fans of their property?
Currently a 49% rotten by fans at Rotten Tomatoes www.rottentomatoes.com

Your considered opinions on this alleged film are appreciated.

 

Uhhh, that was very strange, made very little sense and consisted mostly of disjointed incoherent ramblings.

 

I enjoyed the movie, far more than the Force Awakens movie, which I thought was kind of "meh." But it wasn't nearly as good as Rogue One.

I think the OP is complaining about the lack of consistency to previous Star Wars canon. Force powers were something that had to be developed with training and practice over many years. Rey is all of a sudden out of nowhere, displaying skills of a Jedi Master. Also Luke's wish to destroy the Jedi Order doesn't seem to make sense. Because they failed alot? I guess I would care more about this if I was a fan enough to care about Star Wars canon, but it's true that this isn't your father's Star Wars.

 

Rather odd, He goes into detail about why a writer would work very hard to make you really hate his stuff but doesn't go word one as to WHY a writer would do ths, and the people they are doing this TO are the most poweful people in most lucrative medium that has yet existed. Finally, he give us nary a clue as to HOW this seeming miracle is accomplished

 

If you haven't seen it then you have no business commenting on it. So go **** off.

Yes the movie was awful but the girl power aspect was probably the least offensive part of the movie. In fact it was pretty much nonexistent. Captain Phasma who is supposed to be some badass female soldier lasts all of 30 seconds against Fin who isn't wearing any armor and formerly worked in sanitation. Then their was the heavy handed obnoxious "save the animals for their cruel overlords" bit that went on for way to long. A bit to much slap stick comedy as well and while I like cute animals they overdid it with the stupid pigeons.

 

Did Luke's powers have to be slowly developed though? My understanding was that major theme of all the early movies was that Luke was a "wild talent" and the reason he had to be carefully nurtured was because the talent might go to the Dark Side if it was not. Same might be for Rey, I dunno

I think a lot of Spielberg's famous plot holes through which the Titanic and it's Icebeg could both be fitted through with space enough for the entire Industrial Light and Magc Show's parking lot besides are from the SDGAFIYBTT (Spielberg Doesn't Give A **** If You Buy the Ticket) effect. He will spend several million dollars making ET and the boy like they really ARE flying over the moon all the while knowing as full well as anybody that they both didn't have to be there in the first place according to what had happened already, and even going back and rubbing our noses in it in case we didn't notice the first time.

 

I can deal with plot holes. Ie Luke's time with Yoda appears to be about as much time as it took Han to have lunch with Darth Vader: it's a plot hole. But the idea is that he did train a bunch and went on what Brian Cambel calls, the "hero's journey". He is a shallow kid in 4, gets his ass kicked in (and hand cut off) in 5 and comes back to redeem himself and his father in 6. Rey? 100% awesome all the time. Beats everyone always.

You are right. I should have added some of my own thoughts on the matter. Sorry.

I did add the youtube video in which the OP appears to be stating that the SJW types destroy things other people love out of spite. People are rejecting their ideas so they want to tear down other people's ideas. I think it may be more mundane than that. A simple nihilism. Because, yeah. I cannot imagine who else would have wanted to make a hate letter to people (Star Wars Fans) that are showering the industry with love and money. EDIT: How do the nihilists get into positions to destroy other people's ideas? Read Mike Medved's "Hollywood vs America". There are powerful Hollywood types who would gladly lose money to make an anti-social point. Also http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114594/ I can see how someone going through hell to get anywhere in Hwood would be bitter. Once in power, I don't doubt they would want to tear things down.

Not sure how I feel about that. For instance, all sorts of people were reviewing "The Red Pill" documentary without having seen it. My problem with them was they stated things about it that were not even there. Example: One loon said it was about men that are angry they can't rape women when ever they want. But I don't think anyone disagrees with what I'm being informed about with this movie and I don't want to give them one red cent. If a movie were to come out calling for the death of all Jews, I wouldn't want to have to give them money and see it before saying I think it outrageous and evil.

I have heard that some of the action, visuals and even sound are spectacular. If you don't care about Star Wars, you may have a good time just letting all of those fantastic production values wash over you. But I'm old. I've been adoring this property for 40 years. And me and people like me (in my circle anyway) are offended. Again: down to 49% at Rotten Tomatoes from users. I am curious: having burned down the lore (Being a Jedi takes rigor, talent, time and training) the 3 primary characters of the original series are gone. The "Resistance" is pretty much done for. What will future movies even be about?

 

Do you recognise that in doing that you risk reflecting the opinions of a handful of negative reviewers, many of whom have a vested interest in putting out something to one extreme or another, rather than what is actually in the film?

Well Poe is a leader too and arguable the most positively active one in the film. I feel that Holdo messed up when she stopped Poe and her sacrifice was about her redeeming herself for the failure.

This is space opera. It would be ridiculous if fantasy fiction was expected to directly reflect the realities of the world.

The "training" of Rey was too short and poorly handled but I don't see why that has to be a gender thing. It's arguable that there was some of that in the original trilogy for Luke given the amount of training usually required for a Jedi established in cannon. The Rey character could have been male instead and exactly the same criticism would apply. Maybe you wouldn't be making them though?

Sure, but shes far from alone in that in the franchise including plenty of males. That's a common space opera issue, not even specific to Star Wars. Del Toro's character has a lot of that and I wouldn't be surprised if he is deemed to have somehow survived, if only for spin-off material.

That depends entirely on what you want Star Wars to be. It would be fairly easy for them to make the next film to take account of your complaints (even the flawed ones ) but lots of other fans wouldn't like it. I very much doubt it was green lit as a "hate latter to the fans", it was green lit as something which would make a good profit (which it will). Neither option necessarily leads to a "good" film from an artistic and entertainment point of view.

I actually watched it for a start. I thought it was OK, not great. There were flaws but some great elements. They're clearly putting more female characters in, which I have no issue with in principle. Some are very good (I like Ridley as Rey very much), some less so (both Rose and Holdo were poorly used) while for some the (perceived) gender was irrelevant (Maz and Phasma). All of that applies to the male characters too. I think trying to spin a big gender politics issue out of it (in any direction) is ridiculous.

 

Even more positive reviews seem to be agreeing with the points the negative reviews are making: they just do not matter as much to them.

I am reading a lot about this. Yours is the first positive response I've read that finds Holdo at fault and that her sacrifice is making up for it. On the surface, given so many other positive and negative reviews of it: Poe is a hot headed dolt that needs to be treated like a child by admiral gender studies.

I'd definitely be asking WFT? And you could have a lot of fun. Suppose she is the reincarnation of great master of the force? (And Snoke should have been someone like, say, Darth Plagus: the Emperor actually failed to kill him and he was biding his time, healing, getting stronger to take over again). But no. Mary Sue is just perfect. And this reflects a concern in the real world: there are people arguing, as I posted above, that nothing is really hard requiring rigor. Anyone should be allowed to be, for instance, brain surgeons, if they feel like doing so because everything is actually really easy.

I wish you were right. Star Wars was inclusive back in the day. Now you have pictures out there of Kathleen Kennedy and pals wearing T-shirts reading, "The Force is Female". Against my better judgement, I am looking forward to hearing if they try to fix things in 9. (Not political on this one: I have no idea why I should want to see Han Solo's movie. I hate they're already blaming the star saying he can't act and needs a coach. A good director can get a great performance from a child. I doubt he is to blame).

 

I don't recall Luke exhibiting any powers until after training.

 

I'm sure that future movies can tackle such issues as racism, homophobia, trans phobia, and showcasing how Kylo is trying to make the Galaxy great again.

 

As long as he does so without his shirt on I do read he is now the man. I do wonder what he'll do with his power.

That is correct. His first training is with the helmet on (he couldn't see anything). He was supposed to block minor "shock" blasts from a floating droid. The shot he fires on the Death Star is about his first experience using the force. Unless you also count his hearing Ben. There is a thing with those "strong" in the force having some sort of faith. Luke is strong there.

 

Star Wars lost its' spiritual message with the last movie.

Maybe before.

 

It could have retained it IF they had an interesting explanation as to why Rey is so strong without a mili-sencond of training. Someone "transmitting" this power to her... an un known player yet to come forward? Or she is the reincarnation of Guigon? Other? But to just, out the gate, have mind powers and ... be able to swim after having been raised on a desert planet? If there is to be an explanation, it better be good.

 

It seems much more likely that the critics have a vested interest in giving positive reviews, to avoid being blacklisted by Disney. I have a hard time imagining a random group of people on the internet having such a vested interest.

Nobody likes a Gary Stu any more than they like a Mary Sue. Luke was supposed to be a big deal, son of Darth freaking Vader, trained under Obi-Wan AND Yoda, and he still got his ass kicked for two movies. Because that's how character development and the hero's journey works. But sure, Rey can just kick Luke *********king Skywalker's ass within a week of first hearing about the force and seeing a lightsaber.

Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy intentionally made it about gender. I mean, they put a literal blue-haired feminist in there with Holdo while wearing shirts saying "the Force is Female". How much more in-your-face do they have to get? But pushing girl power is one of the least offensive things about this movie. How about all that mystery surrounding Snoke? That was gonna be cool to find out about, huh? Nope, let's just kill him before any character development could happen. Oh, and let's have Luke kill himself cuz he used too much Force (even though projecting a hologram didn't seem to be too much Force for Snoke to use). Yep, kill Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill, but leave Carrie Fisher alive. That makes ****ing sense. Apparently surviving in the cold vacuum of space and then flying around like Superman isn't too much Force for Leia to use, either. And then there's the stupid idea of dropping bombs while in space, and the fact that airlocks don't seem to mean anything, you open them up and air does not rush out...I mean, Star Wars science was always bullshit, but it seems like they're just trying to see how stupid they can get with it.

 

Or if they would pay for some decent writers who understand who
Joseph Campbell was. Or Carl Jung.
Just compare an "old" Twilight Zone episode to one of the later ones.
They use to pay talented writers!

Instead they substitute CGI action in visual means.
Less cerebration required!

And so has gone
Star Wars.

Force? What force.​

They succumbed to "profit" just like Peter Jackson's interpretation of "The Hobbit".


Major, major <sigh> My Star Wars universe, my Hobbit universe, corrupted.

Jackson not addressing the real end of the LOTR, "The Scouring of The Shire" was an abomination that Jackson missed "the point". No one comes out unaffected.
Jackson's Hobbit was pure $ $ $. Sadly Tolkien is dead. Campbell is dead. Jung is dead.
Who in our world is there?
Who speaks to the psychological, spiritual common themes among all of us?
CGI action scenes? Pass the popcorn

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Star Wars wasn't inclusive in the day but that's because it was a space opera written in the 70s inspired by it's predecessors of the 50s and 60s. There was certainly a push towards balancing that in the recent films but that doesn't make it the "hate letter to (male) fans" you accused it of being. You're taking one element, spinning it out of all recognition an treating it as if it was the entire focus of the film. I find that as irritating as the rabid fan-boys who claimed the film was brilliant.

 

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Oooooooooo don't get me started on the Hobbit. About the only movie in memory during which I fell asleep in the theater.

There is a problem with writers today. Their stories are like looking at a photo copy of a photo copy.They get weaker with every new copy.
I do think there was something else going on with Last Jedi though. This was more than bad writing. There was a hostile agenda here.

Mon Mothma? Lando? Leia? Padame and women Jedi in Clone Wars? I can't agree with this position. (Though Darth Vader, the baddest black man in sci fi history, when his mask came off, was a white man. I don't think initially he was meant to be Luke's dad. Once he was... well... continuity.)

 

Meh. Movies are just losing their intellectual appeal in general. No one is trying anymore. Input plot algorithm, generate graphics, download to theatre, collect money. Its just another symptom of sociocultural collapse in slow motion.

 

Please don't edit Moi's quotes. Thank you
Or note, "edit" in the altered quote.
The partial quote only makes partial sense, if any to the intended.
Gracias.

 

Never done that before. Not being a smart alleck... really want to know... just write EDIT: before the portion I'm quoting? I do edits because people can read your entire statement in the thread still while I'm trying to be efficient: let readers know what I am responding to. No disrespect intended (nor trying to take something out of context). I'll try to be careful. Best, Gorfias.

I think movies have a challenge that didn't exist even a dozen years ago. Streaming content allows for a level of competition I don't know the can handle. And TV just keeps getting better. Example: A good 2 hour drama may be perfectly good. But can it compare to seven seasons of Mad Men for depth and character development? Its actually all good for the consumer though. Those good 2 hour movies are out there if you look. My next flick will likely be A Ghost Story on Amazon streaming. Supposed to be among the saddest movies you will ever see.

 

Sigh.

Though, how do the fans make things that are so much better than the establishment?!

 

Unless Spielberg has some sort of sex with your sister kink then no, it definitely wasn't. Spielberg was an up and comer at the time but was beginning a backslide which made more than a few see him as a flash in the pan. Star Wars is a potboiler. It is very "camp" or "so bad it's good" if you view it through 1978 eyes, It was only later, when people realized that "Space Opera" wasn't as moribund as everyone had thought that Lucas went back and wrote in the whole "hero's journey" thing.

 

He tried to retroactively claim that the whole thing was planned out. That Darth Vader is a play on the words, "Dark Father.". Sounds a lot more like "Dark Invader" to me.

 

I saw the movie on January 11 but on the super sized screen called XD.

I own some of the star war films and can put one or more into my player to compare.

I know this. I went to see the movie. I paid premium price. I left happy. It is entertainment. Not a documentary. Yoda shows up. Luke Skywalker is much much older. They have interesting stunts. Anyway, if you want real life, go to a documentary. If you want entertainment, the fee is not high so go see it. Then if you hate it, then you have a right to complain.

I recommend this to all viewers. You may be too late to see it on the giant screen.

The CineMark I saw it at has killer seats. You feel like you are sitting in a very luxury automobile. You have buttons to tinker with to totally adjust your seat and this lower section comes up to support your legs. Were it more quiet, one could take a very good nap. The sound in the theater was such that my seat vibrated. Was it the seat or the speakers? I don't know but when the shooting started, the seat was jiggling.