Startling revelations in the new Woodward-Costa book

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member

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    Sarcasm?
     
  2. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member

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    Listen to you. Oh puhleez !

    I'll repeat from another post:

    He wasn't instructing anyone to allow him to usurp the presidents power. He just wanted to be kept in the loop. I should think as, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, he has that right when it comes to military directives which have world shaking consequences, like a nuke attack, or an attack on Iran ( and he wanted to do just that ).

    Trump, after 1/6 was totally obsessed with the election and his other duties were being neglected, and his behavior was becoming increasingly erratic.

    The proper solution would have been the 25th amendment, but, alas, no way is a supreme sycophant like Pence going to do anything like that, though he is smart enough not to defy the constitution insofar as his duties on 1/6, where it is clear cut what his duties were. The 25th is a pretty drastic maneuver, and Pence simply didn't have the political will to do such a thing.

    so, without the 25th, all we have defending America against the short tempered, highly unpredictable erratic behavior of a president abscessed with 'stop the deal' and other delusions, whereupon Trump hinted at attacking Iran, drafted a memo to that effect, enter one General Milley, chairman of the joint chiefs,and, in that post, serves as one of Trump's senior advisor, who, discovering the memo, also discovered that the secretary of defense, national security advisor and other senior officials were not advised of it, either ( when they should have been ) so all Milley wanted, as a senior adviser, was to instruct those in the chain of command to inform him of the fact before they execute any directive to attack a foreign nation, because, that he was the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, he felt he had that right, given Trump's ever increasing erratic behavior.

    And republicans are going to fault him for this? Are y'all such partisans that you don't see the wisdom in what Milley did, not to mention that the same was done by James Schlesinger (and no one accused him of treason) when Nixon became increasingly erratic at just before he finally stepped down. I mean, I would have done the same, and so would any right thinking person who is a patriot.


    Right after Trump lost the election, Milley discovered the President had signed a military order to withdraw all troops from Afghanistan by January 15, 2021, before he left the White House.

    The memo had been secretly drafted by two Trump loyalists. No one on the national security team knew about it ...The memo was eventually nullified, but Milley could not forget that Trump had done an end run around his top military advisers.

    ... after January 6, Milley 'felt no absolute certainty that the military could control or trust Trump and believed it was his job as the senior military officer to think the unthinkable and take any and all necessary precautions.' --from the book, Peril, by Woodward & Costa.
     
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    The point was that he has no right to order a nuclear attack or to interfere with such an order. That would be reserved for the commander in chief.

    That is opinion and unrelated to subject at hand.

    Another opinion but not supported by those empowered to use the 25th amendment.

    If you view things without the partisanship in the way you will conclude that we wore his heart on his sleeve and displayed his emotions publicly. While not a good look for a president, he wasn't erratic. If anything he was consistent with his bad personality.

    Then you shouldn't be the JCS chief either.
     
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    which of these statements is true?

    trump was fully cognizant of intelligence that would warrant a retaliatory strike against china or iran and ordered such a strike, which was arrogantly stopped by a treasonous general. or

    trump ordered, contrary to american policy and treaties, a first strike. the illegal order was not obeyed, in accordance with the oath taken by every officer and the ucmj. or

    woodward is selling books.
     
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    What I couldn't imagine is a prez capable of causing grave harm to the nation in pursuit of illegally maintaining power...........until Trump.
     
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    There is big difference. Britain was a true enemy in the revolutionary war and it was even a declared enemy. Arnold was a traitor. China may be an enemy (I think it is) but the U.S. doesn't consider it an enemy and hasn't declared war against it. So, while Millie got way ahead of his skis, he isn't a traitor. He is guilty of usurping power from the president and should be fired for it. Perhaps he should even face a court martial. I'm no expert in military law. But treason is not in the cards.
     
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    Miley went to the Chinese and colluded with them behind the back of our elected president. We all know what that is and it should scare the hell out of everyone. Suppose a general had contacted Hirohito behind FDR's back in 1944? Suppose a general had contacted Castro behind JFK's back in 1960? Suppose a general had contacted Khrushchev behind JFK's back prior to the Cuban blockade? Right, answer those questions and you will understand what Milley did. Milley was not in charge of the armed forces, he was the advisor to the elected POTUS, so had he been concerned about Trump he should have resigned and took his case to the media and the people of the USA. He may be a general but he is a moron who needs a class on the Constitution 101.
     
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    No. It wasn't a coup in any sense of the word. Milley was taking precautions against tRump destroying the planet because he was obviously, documented by White House personnel, maniacal about losing the election.

    Somebody else got it right. The only treason to a trumper is not giving blood obedience to "dear leader".
     
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    Of course. 8)
     
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    Declared or not does not matter. Let me remind you of that case of Julian and Ethel Rosenberg. They were convicted for spying for the USSR. At the time, the USSR had the same type of relationship with the US as we currently have with China. As I pointed out before, China has researched the effects of a Nuke First Strike against the US.

    Julius Rosenberg worked as an Engineer-Inspector at the Army Signal Corps Engineering Laboratories at Fort Monmouth, NJ. A far cry from being the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The Rosenbergs never took a oath to follow the orders of the President of the United States. Milley did. His oath did not come with the caveat "unless I disagree".

    It is astounding how the left will excuse treason if it is against Trump. To condone treason based on a completely unsubstantiated assumption just shows how deranged Trump haters really are.

    For the record, Milley should get the same punishment that the Rosenbergs got. Death by electric chair!
     
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    It's astounding that you want to tar and feather a man for trying to avoid nuclear holocaust.
     
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    You are saying that federal government considers our relationship with China to be a cold war? Hadn't heard that before.

    But Milley didn't refuse an order from a president. He took something on himself the power for which belongs to the president. He deserves to be fired at the very least or perhaps he should face a court martial. I'm not an expert at military law.

    Trump didn't do anything treasonous either.

    I'm not sure how the UCMJ would deal with his action but I am virtually certain that the death penalty would not apply.
     
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    The chances of a nuclear holocaust was a fantasy. It didn't exist.
     
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    Did Trump ask anyone to nuke China
    Did Trump discuss nuking China
    Did Trump ever request us to nuke China
    Did they hide the football from Trump at any time. Nope

    Your point is moot no matter how much opinion you shovel on it.
    Milley is guilty of treason.
     
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    Oh yeah, he saved the world. Do you believe in the U.S. Constitution?
    Some times a ridiculous example is used to make a simple point so that even the dense can understand. Do you believe in the U.S. Constitution?
     
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    Did you see @Arkanis' post about what happened? Milley didn't tell them to *go around* Trump. He told them to FOLLOW PROCEDURE and he was part of that procedure. He shouldn't be forced to resign over this. Telling his people to "go by the book" is NOT treason.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...rk-milley-be-‘arrested’-for-‘treason’.592132/
     
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    Because Milley took it off the table.
     
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    Maybe but very unlikely.
     
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    I don't get it.

    None of Milley's paranoid predictions came true. He was just plain wrong. He bet on his instincts, he committed treason, and he gambled, and he lost. The scenario that he committed treason to mitigate never happened. It was all in his head.

    If he was correct, he would be a hero, but, you see, he wasn't. He was wrong. His paranoid fever dreams didn't come true.

    Additionally, any doubts about his competence as a military leader were dispelled BIG TIME by the debacle that was his Afghanistan operation.

    Afghanistan proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that he's a blithering incompetent, and he has no idea what the hell he's even doing.

    A failed psychic, a treasonous turncoat, and an incompetent military commander.

    No wonder the left loves him.
     
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    Which would've meant something if nuclear holocaust had been an issue.

    It wasn't. It only ever existed as a figment of Milley's fevered imagination.

    If it had been an issue, Milley would be the hero right now, but it didn't happen, and he's not a hero. He's just a treasonous villain.

    He bypassed his chain of command, and conspired with the enemy, based upon a situation he anticipated. A situation that NEVER HAPPENED.
     
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    I'm not sure I agree, because of the attempted insurrection Jan. 6th and tRumps violent and manic behavior leading up to it, that Milley broke the chain of command. Milley made calls assuring foreign leaders that contrary to the apparen chaos in the White House "thing's" are under control. That's definitely within the preview of his office.
     
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    That makes no sense.
     
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    Read it now. I'm working remote and accidentally hit post before I was finished.
     
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    Accusation.
     
  25. Lil Mike

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    The irony of you using the term "Benedict Donald" in this thread...

    I prefer the law and the constitution be followed, and the military at all times be subordinate to civilian leadership. Letting the military grab executive power when ever they feel like it is the norm in many banana republic third world countries, but now I see you are in favor of it being the standard here.
     

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