"States confront new reality under Trump"

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  1. grapeape

    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No judge stooped this travel ban ? This isn’t about the ban, its about the lack of one while claiming publicly that their was one.

    Trump isn’t telling them what to do THATS the problem. I’ll ask again.....do you honestly think that 50 different governors, with 50 different plans, all while having shared borders is really the answer ?
     
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    Well opinion obviously is not in line with reality.
     
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    So Trump's "solution" for international issues, whicb should be managed by the national government, when a court case doesn't go his way (geatly because he had said the opposite thing recently) is to just throw up his hands and OK, you states just do anything you want separately in each state!

    Oh, yeah, that makes the usual BS sense that everything else Trump says!
     
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    1. It may be a short time before doubling every day may be the reality. Hopefully Social Distancing will help avoid that.
    2. I never suggested fear was the answer. I suggested responding to the fear in a rational way, to avert it & help deal with the pandemic.
    3. Most Americans are doing just that. I agree with your point here.
     
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    Nope. D's don't listen to tRUMP. That's a fact.
     
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    What was more affordable about it, my deductibles soared, copays soared, my out-of-pocket went through the roof. Obamacare was one of the most ill conceived programs in the history of the country that the Democrats screwed up and the Republicans warned against.
     
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    When did Trump say ingest fish tank cleaner?
     
  8. XploreR

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    1. I don't believe Obama left us with a shortage of N95 masks. Trump has been in office three years. That's plenty of time to re-supply any shortages. He didn't. Why? Also, why did Trump fire the head of the CDC in October of 2018? And, why did Trump remove the funding for the entire CDC dept in that same month? Why would any President remove the very department that is charged with leading any American response to such a national crisis as this pandemic? From my perspective, Trump is the problem here, NOT Obama. Today it was announced that Trump was warned by his intelligence agencies of a possible, then probable pandemic, beginning Jan 2, 2020. That warning was repeated at least 3 times per week for 70 days before Trump was forced by events to respond. Why was Trump so resistant to the approaching crisis? What took him so long to act? Why does he continue resisting his own medical specialists even today? Trump has been consistently inept throughout this pandemic. Trump is a national disgrace as a leader. Trump is an embarrassment as President. Trump needs to be fired.
    2. Trump's own medical team stated today that the Coronavirus is six times more deadly than the common flu virus. I believe them rather than you & your biased statistics.
     
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    It's not going to double everyday. No evidence of that at all.

    I'm with the ole sage "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."
    Fear leads to bad actions always.
     
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    ISIS is a shell of their former self. Dead or fled is how most of their story ended. I hope for mostly dead myself. :)
     
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    My wife lost her insurance in 2012. We couldn't qualify for Obamacare either, so she had to live without it for four years. I experienced the same anger you did, but I learned different lessons from the experience. One lesson I learned was that it is sheer stupidity to base healthcare insurance on employment. That way, every period of unemployment resulted in the loss of healthcare. Another lesson I learned is that healthcare should be available for all of us regardless of income. Healthcare shouldn't be for only those who can afford it. Everyone is subject to illness & injury & everyone deserves access to help with them. When I heard Bernie Sanders saying healthcare is a human right, I felt he was expressing precisely what I had already concluded. The answer isn't hating Obama. Obama didn't create the system that failed you. He tried to fix it. But the answer is going beyond Obama & actually making national healthcare for everyone a reality. That will solve your problem.
     
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    No it's not. Bigger more controlling federal govt is not the answer. If the states want to do that let them work thru the process in their state. Leave the federal govt out of it.
     
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    Kindly refrain from PROJECTING your own glaring lack of subject matter knowledge onto others.
     
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    no such video exists, no one knows who these people are, if such a video existed, you would link to it

    I do not blame them though, if I did something as stupid as listen to trump and got sick, I would not want to be on video admiting it either
     
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    Were Trump getting in the face of the states, wouldn't you be calling him a fascist dictator?
     
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    So we should let Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and California manage their own borders ?

    Ok...nice to know.
     
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    No country in the world was prepared for this, including our own. The situation is unique in each state, so yes, Trump should let the states handle their own affairs while he tries to maintain an overview of the situation and focuses on individual hot spots.

    Why would Trump be blamed for someone drinking fish tank cleaner, there is absolutely no connection.
     
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    As long as we're giving personal experience, mine is that in 2016 my wife who was the insurance carrier for the household lost her job and of course her insurance, then walked out the door. During this period, when I didn't have insurance and couldn't get insurance I had a kidney stone for which the hospital charged me $8k to do nothing for. The government sympathized with a $2400 fine for not having insurance. Obamacare was an invasion of liberty and I don't see how any government mandated system could be any better. In the end, we are paying for either corporate profits or government waste and the only thing that changes is who gets screwed harder.
     
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    The problem with every state controlling its own healthcare is that Americans are travelers. And, most of us don't live in one state forever. I myself have lived & worked in nine states. If every state controlled its own healthcare & made its own rules for coverage, every time you moved to a new state, you'd lose your healthcare for yourself & your family until you re-qualified for coverage again. That's a nightmare. National healthcare would apply everywhere for everyone the same, & you'd never lose coverage. I disagree with you.
     
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    My healthcare is thru my employer. Moving state to state has no real effect on it.

    If your insurance is thru the state for whatever reason you would have to decide rather moving and the effect that had on your insurance was worth the move.

    Your insurance is not my issue, nor mine yours. No reason the federal govt needs to be involved as you posted. Bigger govt is not the answer.
     
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    I understand & relate to your feelings, but Medicare is a federal healthcare program that has a solid, positive rating with the seniors it serves. Medicare would be cheaper than private insurance because it doesn't seek a profit. Your mistrust of government may be misplaced with this issue.
     
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    How many dems have eaten Tide Pods? and no one blamed obama.
     
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    And the VA? Another government healthcare program, not so highly rated. I think my mistrust is justified, there is very little the government does that can beat the free market.
     
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    The first act of war was by the Union when, during negotiations and against previous promises, the took over the island that belong to SC on which they could blockade the harbor and then Lincoln send his navy into those state waters to increase the arms and supplies and reinforce. SC had no other choice than to respond. And then it was Lincoln who invaded the Confederacy at Manassas and then later a total invasion. All to get those states with their slavery intact back into the Union. Had he not chosen to do that 600,000 lives would not have been lost and the entire South wipe out and burned to the ground and they could have been peaceful neighbors.
     
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    The current pandemic is the best example available to show the deficiencies of the healthcare based on employer system we have in America. In just the last month, the pandemic has caused over 10 million Americans to lose their jobs, & apply for new unemployment. The problem is when they lost their jobs (& their income), they also lost their healthcare for themselves & their families. That means they & their families are at far greater risk of the pandemic than they were one month ago, & that's a national tragedy as much as a personal one. Healthcare MUST be made a national right. Having it susceptible to uncontrollable forces like pandemics, or loss of a job, or the financial status of the individual, is unacceptable. A national healthcare program guaranteed by the federal government is the ONLY good answer to this problem. Making it a public service & taking the insurance profits out of it makes it cheaper than our current system to pay for. I am at a complete loss to understand why conservatives can't see the startling advantages to a national healthcare system.
     
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