Steven Jones: Revisionist quack involved in Archeology Hoax

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  1. l4zarus

    l4zarus Member

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    We're familiar with Jones's dubious conspiracy papers used by Richard Gage to fleece the gullible, but how many knew Jones has a history of pushing scientific frauds predating his truther thermite "research"?

    In 2005 Jones was involved in something called the Burrows Cave hoax that seems to be trying to prove white people existed in mesoAmerica or something:

    http://www.flavinscorner.com/outcave.htm

    "On May 21, 2005, The Ancient Historical Research Foundation (AHRF), a revisionist Mormon cult organization held a “Symposium” on the campus of Brigham Young University which prominently featured the engraved BC rocks. Russ loaned fourteen examples of his BC folk-art to AHRF and they were subsequently “examined” by Steven Earl Jones, Ph.D. (Full Professor, Physics and Astronomy; Brigham Young). Prof. Jones refers to his belief in history as described in The Book of Mormon (Smith 1830) on his curriculum vitae. This shouldn’t be a surprise at a Mormon cult teaching institution. That Prof. Jones also believes Muslims didn’t destroy the World Trade Center is both surprising and a possibly actionable example of hate-speech. Prof. Jones (Hard Evidence?) has claimed the examination results of the Burrows Hoax artifacts were inconclusive. Great! If a racist and paranoid cult member can’t disprove the antiquity of the engraved BC folk-art, who can?"

    " Prof. Jones apparently didn’t squander much time between finishing up his examination of the Burrows Hoax artifacts and hitting the press-circuit with his racist WTC theory. On Nov. 10, 2005, a Deseret Morning News story began:

    “The physics of 9/11 — including how fast and symmetrically one of the World Trade Center buildings fell — prove that official explanations of the collapses are wrong, says a Brigham Young University physics professor. In fact, it's likely that there were 'pre-positioned explosives' in all three buildings at ground zero, says Steven E. Jones. In a paper posted online Tuesday and accepted for peer-reviewed publication next year, Jones adds his voice to those of previous skeptics, including the authors of the Web site www.wtc7.net, whose research Jones quotes. Jones' article can be found at www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html. 'It is quite plausible that explosives were pre-planted in all three (WTC) buildings,' BYU physics professor Steven E. Jones says. Jones, who conducts research in fusion and solar energy at BYU, is calling for an independent, international scientific investigation 'guided not by politicized notions and constraints but rather by observations and calculations. 'It is quite plausible that explosives were pre-planted in all three buildings and set off after the two plane crashes — which were actually a diversion tactic,' he writes. 'Muslims are (probably) not to blame for bringing down the WTC buildings after all,' Jones writes. As for speculation about who might have planted the explosives, Jones said, don't usually go there. There's no point in doing that until we do the scientific investigation' (Jarvik 2005)."
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    Jones misrepresents a collaborative journal as "peer review":

    "Peer-review? The claimed peer-reviewed publication: "RePEc (Research Papers in Economics) is a collaborative effort of hundreds of volunteers in 51 countries to enhance the dissemination of research in economics. The heart of the project is a decentralized database of working papers, journal articles and software components. All RePEc material is freely available. You may add your own materials to RePEc through a department or institutional archive -- all institutions are welcome to join and contribute their materials by establishing and maintaining their own RePEc archive." There's no mention of peer-review in this economic data-base."

    More on Jones and the Burrows Cave Hoax:

    http://www.flavinscorner.com/2009bc.htm

    " In America, a jury considers “means, motive, and opportunity” for a guilty verdict in a criminal trial. Historians, even those associated with The History Channel, would be well advised to adhere to basic requirements. The Burrows Cave inscribed items? Well, as Burrows often claims, the items were subjected to automobile polish by his one-time associate, Jack Ward, and can no longer be “tested” due to modern contamination. And, inviting Goofy to join Mickey, Wolter doesn't seem to be able to “test” the Burrows Cave items any better than the “Hard Evidence” ex-professor and Mormon 9/11 whack, Steve Jones. The so-called “testing” of the Kensington Runestone seems amateurish, at best, and at the very least, a waste of time. Look, even the Catholics regard the Shroud of Turin as an article of faith and not the actual burial cloth of Jesus. There are books to help such individuals who persist in believing in the fantastic (e.g. Sagan 1996; Shermer 1997)."

    There are a couple of conclusions one can take from Jones history:

    1. He is a gullible crank with just enough scientific education and training to be useful to people pushing conspiracy scams.

    2. He is a scammer himself, cynically using his scientific education to promote conspiracy theories as part of a fringe political agenda.

    Other examples of hoaxes promoted/invented by Steven Jones?
     
  2. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    Lack of proof, you mean. And crushing to the small handful of 'truthers' left.
     
  4. l4zarus

    l4zarus Member

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    This thread is about Steven Jones quackery and the fraud he was involved in, not your belief there is "crushing" proof of an "inside job".

    If you wish to have that discussion, you can start your own thread.
     
  5. 9/11 was an inside job

    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

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    yep.you took the two defenders of the fairy tales of the government that responded after you to school big time there.they have no answers for those facts.

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    revisionist quack? kinda like the rivisionist quack that Bush,cheney,rice,rumsfield,clinton,obama and the other defenders of the official conspiracy theory of the governments are.:roll::roflol:
     
  6. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    You STILL can't prove any of your allegations,yet you still rattle them off as if they were fact.....Sad.
     
  7. Blues63

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    It is hardly surprising that a pseudo-scientist like Jones would be involved in an archaeological hoax. The man won't release his dust samples for independent examination, which suggests he has something to hide, or that it will expose his less than scientific methodology. People have held up his paper as proof of the use of thermite on 9/11 without realising that his iron rich micro-spheres are common in daily life.

    The man is a grifter.
     
  8. genericBob

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    on the subject of dust samples, WHY is it that dust samples are any sort of issue at all, there was literally tons of the stuff to be had on 9/11/2001 WHY didn't various entities scoop up abundant samples and pack it away for analysis and future study? In the case of anything from an inner city hit-&-run to an obvious mob motivated murder, the forensics dept, insists on gathering up as much evidence as the police van will carry and getting on with the task of analyzing everything they can get their hands on to solve the case.
    Yet another problem with the OFFICIAL point of view, there are people who are on the public payroll who obviously didn't do what they ordinarily do in the case of a crime or disaster scene to be investigated. Your tax dollars at work, a bureaucracy that rewards incompetence? or?
     
  9. Blues63

    Blues63 New Member Past Donor

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    How could anyone predict that samples of dust would be required in the future to disprove the theories of 3 unprofessional scientists?

    Why would they?

    9/11 is the most investigated event in history.

    That was quite a lame attempt at slinging mud there.
     
  10. genericBob

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    Please be so kind as to produce a link to DOCUMENTATION that proves the wreckage of "FLT11", "FLT175", "FLT77" & "FLT93" actually came from the airliners in question......

    Somebody please produce the DOCUMENT that shows people looked for evidence of explosives at ground zero and indeed found none.

    what?
     
  11. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Again,you know of four other planes hijacked that day?


    besides two of the jets black boxes were found....that ought to be proof enough for those two
     
  12. genericBob

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    Flight data recorders can be faked, the problem here is that both in the basic procedures used to "clean up" the crash sites + the fact that the only evidence of the wreckage is in the form of what is virtually a collection of random snap-shots.
    The aircraft have NOT been accounted for and its a given that the small amount of wreckage that is seen in the snap-shots could have been delivered in a pickup truck and planted at the site. The fact that so many people simply buy it, that is the story that airliners virtually disappeared that day ( 4X )
     
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    You're hopless,,NO amount of proof will convince you,As it can be 'faked'..
     
  14. Karma Mechanic

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    Can't you see what you are doing here? Dozens of people watched the planes fly into buildings. Hundreds of people died on those planes and their families are convinced they did. We have wreckage documented, some still in a hanger in New Jersey I think.

    Your solution to the facts is to say they could be faked. That with hundreds of people around, cameras everywhere a pick up truck dumped this stuff? REally? That is what you are going with.

    Seriously get help.
     
  15. genericBob

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    Just exactly what constitutes "documentation" of these airliner crashes?
     
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    All been provided to you and you ignore that fact and go in circles.
    It has been proven in many in previous threads and you know it
     
  18. genericBob

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    Nothing has been provided, and you know it
    if you had thread & message number references to where said info existed,
    that would be a different matter, but you don't and so the data doesn't exist.

    The airliners have not been accounted for, the tests for explosives or explosive residue were not done.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    It has been provided for you time after time in many threads and you are stating a bald faced lie to deny it.
     
  20. genericBob

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    Just as an example of what is going on here,
    a jet engine appears in Murray st, and rather than
    have people actually check the serial number(s)
    of said jet engine assembly, there is an endless
    discussion about a cooling duct component of said
    jet engine, and this is just one of the reasons why I
    for one citizen here KNOW that its a false flag attack.

    Happy New Year
    y'all
     
  21. Blues63

    Blues63 New Member Past Donor

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    Do you dispute my statement that 9/11 is the most investigated event in history?
     
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    absolutely! where is the accounting for any of the 4 alleged hijacked & crashed airliners? How is it that ground zero, immediately post collapse was documented at all?
     
  23. Blues63

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    That is a ignorant answer.
     
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    If that answer was so "ignorant" then were is the documentation of the alleged airliner crashes?
     
  25. Blues63

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    Well no-planer BS is just dumb, and no-one with a brain would give that nonsense any credence for a moment. You keep bleating on about where is the evidence blah, blah, blah. Just open your eyes and employ a little critical thinking and you will find it right in front of you.


    My post referred mainly to the sentence "How is it that ground zero, immediately post collapse was documented at all?"

    You do realise that there was a massive search and rescue operation undertaken at the time, and the future appeasement of a fringe minority was not a priority? Your delusions do not alter the fact that 9/11 is the most investigated event in history.
     

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